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The Book of Bronze Tiger

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The Book of Bronze Tiger

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The figure used for this unit is a Heroclix figure from the Justice League set.
Its model number and name are #032/Bronze Tiger.​
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Character Bio - Bronze Tiger is one of the world's greatest martial artists, and has worked as both a hero and a villain. Having studied under the O-Sensei, he is an ally to Batman and Richard Dragon. Professor Ojo would later brainwash him into turning evil. He has been a member of G.O.O.D., the League of Assassins and the Suicide Squad. (dc.wiki.com)
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Re: The Book of Bronze Tiger - Brainstorming

NAME = BRONZE TIGER
SECRET IDENTITY = BEN TURNER


SPECIES = HUMAN
UNIQUENESS = UNIQUE HERO
CLASS = OUTLAW
PERSONALITY = CONFLICTED


SIZE/HEIGHT = MEDIUM 5

LIFE = 4


MOVE = 6
RANGE = 1
ATTACK = 4
DEFENSE = 5


POINTS = 210

PHANTOM STRIKE 12
Bronze Tiger can move through all figures and is never attacked when leaving an engagement. After moving and before attacking, you may choose one figure that Bronze Tiger moved through this turn and roll the 20-sided die. If you roll 12 or higher, the chosen figure receives one wound.

DRAGON STYLE KUNG FU
When rolling attack dice against an adjacent figure for Bronze Tiger's normal attack or rolling defense dice against a normal attack from an adjacent attacking figure, you may reroll all blanks until no blanks are shown.

COUNTER STRIKE
When rolling defense dice against a normal attack from an adjacent attacking figure, all excess shields count as unblockable hits on the attacking figure.
 
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Alright, something I forgot to bring up in my design thread is that I originally had him as an Assassin but Waller does not have Assassin as one of the classes for her to choose from for the Suicide Squad. The options are Outlaw, Criminal, Rouge, & Thief. Not sure how well he really fits into any of those classes. Another option would to leave him as an Assassin and then add something to Rick Flag Jr.'s card that let him place one microbomb marker on the card of an Assassin.
 
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I think Outlaw fits him pretty well, actually. He did fight Catman once and in the New 52, he's involved with Red Hood and the Outlaws.
 
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If he's more iconic as an Assassin, put him as an Assassin. If he's more iconic in the Suicide Squad, I agree with quozl that Outlaw is your best choice.

I'd go with Dragon Style if we don't use the counter strike aspect, and Jeet Kune Do if we so go with counter strike.

Overall I like it. :up:
 
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The figure has the tiger head on it rather than him unmasked so I'd like to have the art also have the tiger head. Here are some art ideas:

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quozl said:
I think Outlaw fits him pretty well, actually. He did fight Catman once and in the New 52, he's involved with Red Hood and the Outlaws.
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Okay, cool. I was thinking outlaw was his best option out of the 4. That is fine with me as the Assassin synergy is much bigger than the Outlaw synergy. If no one else objects I'll make that update after 24 hours have passed.
 
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The mini has some jungle type of plant on the base so I'm thinking any kind of jungle background would be fine for the mini card. I have the figure and it is sunny today so I can take pics and post them soon.

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My suggestion for wording:
JEET KUNE DO
After rolling combat dice to make or defend an adjacent normal attack, reroll all blanks until all dice show either a skull or a shield. When rolling defense dice against a normal attack from an adjacent attacking figure, all excess shields count as unblockable hits on the attacking figure.
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Re: The Book of Bronze Tiger - Brainstorming

This looks like a pretty good bio to me. It is pulled directly from the dc.wiki Database.

Bronze Tiger is one of the world's greatest martial artists, and has worked as both a hero and a villain. Having studied under the O-Sensei, he is an ally to Batman and Richard Dragon; Professor Ojo would later brainwash him into turning evil. He has been a member of G.O.O.D., the League of Assassins and the Suicide Squad.


You guys okay with that as is?
 
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Spidey'tilIDie said:
My suggestion for wording:
JEET KUNE DO
After rolling combat dice to make or defend from an adjacent normal attack, reroll all blanks until all dice show either a skull or a shield. When rolling defense dice against a normal attack from an adjacent attacking figure, all excess shields count as unblockable hits on the attacking figure.
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Not an English major but I would add 'from' in there, otherwise that is fine with me. I think SirG will get the final say either way.
 
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When Bronze Tiger is either attacking an opponent's adjacent figure with a normal attack or defending against a normal attack from an adjacent figure, reroll all blanks until all dice are either skulls or shields. When rolling defense dice against a normal attack from an adjacent figure, all excess shields count as unblockable hits on the attacking figure.
 
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Design is looking good. I'm cool with the Outlaw change. By the time he's in the Suicide Squad, he's really a former Assassin anyway, and he really only ever was one while brainwashed, if I'm recalling correctly.
 
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Obviously numbers can be tweaked, but you may want to consider dropping his attack by one. 5 dice plus re-rolling + decent offense with the movement power + offense on defense seems REALLY good for a relatively minor character. Of course, I'm none too familiar with DC characters anyway.

But I love the spin on martial artistry without resorting to a overused power!
 
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True. Basically right now his attacks are either going to whiff completely or be 5 skulls. Which actually means averaging 5 skulls more than half the time, which is better than 10 attack.

I think he should probably go down to 3 attack and 4 defense with that power.
 
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IAmBatman said:
True. Basically right now his attacks are either going to whiff completely or be 5 skulls. Which actually means averaging 5 skulls more than half the time, which is better than 10 attack.

I think he should probably go down to 3 attack and 4 defense with that power.
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Not sure how you're getting that. He just rerolls blanks.
 
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IAmBatman said:
True. Basically right now his attacks are either going to whiff completely or be 5 skulls. Which actually means averaging 5 skulls more than half the time, which is better than 10 attack.

I think he should probably go down to 3 attack and 4 defense with that power.
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I'm not following you here Bats. He can still roll 1 skull and 4 shields, 2 skulls and 3 shields, 3 skulls and 2 shields, or 4 skulls and 1 shield. He just can't roll any blanks. As mentioned in my design thread that changes the odds for him from 3/6 or 50% skulls to 3/5 or 60% skulls and 2/6 or 33% shields to 2/5 or 40% shields.

In my mind at least, I raised the attack up from 4 to 5 after dropping MMA but before changing Phantom Strike from one roll to a potential two rolls (needs two opponents figures in range for two rolls) and before adding counterstrike back in. I agree he does not need the 5 base attack now with the additional wound generating potential so I'll certainly drop it down to 4 when the 24 hours are up. Thanks for bringing that up Margloth.
 
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Misreading the power and confusing myself. Please disregard my concerns.
 
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Outlaw sounds good to me, but I don't know the character much beyond having the mini and seeing him in Arrow a couple times.

Skimming over the Wikipedia article on him, Conflicted seems like a fitting Personality.

Agree that stats are a little high with his powers.

I think I would prefer that Phantom Strike be just a single figure. I like the simplicity of it, and the idea of keeping his cost down a little. Also makes it nicely reusable. Cool power though.

quozl said:
When Bronze Tiger either attacks an opponent's adjacent figure with a normal attack or defends against a normal attack from an adjacent figure, reroll all blanks until all dice are either skulls or shields. When rolling defense dice against a normal attack from an adjacent figure, all excess shields count as unblockable hits on the attacking figure.
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The wording in the SP feels off to me, but I think this cleans it up (I changed the tense to fit with similar powers). Not concise, but clear. Should there be a "you may" in there, or is it intended to be mandatory?

I also think it would be better with Counter Strike as a separate power. We're not hurting for space, and it would flow better in my opinion.
 
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Counter Strike separate sounds good to me.
 
Re: The Book of Bronze Tiger - Brainstorming

It could be split up on this card since he only has two powers currently. Would the power ever be reused somewhere that having it at one power might be a plus?
 
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I agree with dropping his attack, going with Outlaw, and limiting Phantom Strike to just one figure. I was actually going to suggest giving him Phantom Walk and cutting that effect from Phantom Strike, but splitting off Counter Strike from his other power also makes sense.

Dragon Style is pretty cool but are there no reusable powers that fit him? I get not wanting to use MMA (we use it so much and without range it's less interesting), but what about something like Commander Roger's Trained To Perfection? I'd be fine with sticking with Dragon Style, I just prefer to reuse when possible.
 
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The mechanics of Trained to Perfection would fit nicely. He's also sort of the template of a character that MMA was made for, though.

If we went Trained to Perfection, it'd give him a better squad counter if his Phantom Strike went down to one figure only. If it did that, though, I wouldn't mind seeing the D20 roll reduced.

Yodaking said:
It could be split up on this card since he only has two powers currently. Would the power ever be reused somewhere that having it at one power might be a plus?
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I don't think it's reusable with either of the suggested titles.
 
Re: The Book of Bronze Tiger - Brainstorming

Dragon Style Kung Fu could fit on pretty much anyone that Richard Dragon has trained (as it's his style of choice), which is like half of the DC Universe at this point, so I think it's reusable in and of itself. Good call spinning out Counter Strike to keep it trim in that case.
 
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