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The Book of Batman (Bruce Wayne) (II)

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The Book of Batman (Bruce Wayne) (II)

C3G DC WAVE 12
LEGENDS OF THE DARK KNIGHT

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Comic PDF

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Mini PDF

The figure used for this unit is a Heroclix figure from the Icons set.
Its model number and name are #040-042 / Batman.

Current Glyphs of Utility​
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Character Bio - “Batman has no inherent superhuman powers. To compensate for this he relies on ‘his own scientific knowledge, detective skills, and athletic prowess.’ […] Although seemingly unremarkable in appearance, the utility belt is one of Batman's most important tools in fighting crime. Consisting primarily of a strap and buckle, the utility belt houses ten cylindrical cartridges that are attached to the outside of the belt. The buckle itself typically contains a miniature camera and two-way radio. A secondary compartment behind the length of the belt houses Batman's supply of batarangs. Each of the ten cylinders contains various tools integral to Batman's war on crime, and are interchangeable with other cylinders depending on Batman's needs. Through the years, Batman has modified the contents of his belt to accommodate various crime-fighting scenarios. During the events of No Man’s Land, Batman made use of a simpler workman's belt with larger pockets due to the necessity of carrying more equipment. After No Man's Land, he designed a new bulkier version of the belt, which resembled the workman's belt he wore but with high-tech upgrades and security measures […] In the stories Batman is regarded as one of the world's greatest detectives; if not the world's greatest crime solver. […] Superman describes Batman as ‘the most dangerous man on Earth,’ able to defeat a team of superpowered aliens by himself in order to rescue his imprisoned teammates. He has spent a significant portion of his life traveling the world and acquiring the skills needed to aid in his crusade against crime. His knowledge and expertise in almost every discipline known to man is nearly unparalleled by any other character in the DC universe. He is also a master of disguise, often gathering information under the identity of Matches Malone, a notorious gangster. Additionally, the Batman has been repeatedly described as one of the greatest martial artists in the DC Universe, his skills in hand-to-hand combat are said to rival such notable martial artists as Lady Shiva, Bronze Tiger, and Richard Dragon. His batsuit also aids in his combat against enemies, having the properties of both Kevlar and Nomex. It protects him from gunfire and other significant impacts. However, Batman's most defining characteristic is his strong commitment to justice and his unwillingness to take life, regardless of the situation with which he is faced. This unyielding moral aptitude has earned him the respect of several heroes in the DC Universe, most notably that of Superman and Wonder Woman” (Wikipedia 2012).
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-Rulings and Clarifications-
  • [FONT=&quot]Q: Can Batman carry an Equipment Glyph in addition to (or in place of 1) Utility Equipment Glyph?[/FONT]
  • [FONT=&quot]A: No. Batman can either equip: Up to 3 Utility Equipment Glyphs OR 1 normal Equipment Glyph. In order to pick up a single normal Equipment Glyph he must first drop all Utility Equipment Glyphs. [/FONT]
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-Combinations and Synergies-

Incoming Synergy:
Outgoing Synergy:
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-Immunities, Benefits, and Weaknesses-
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-Strategy, Tactics and Tips-
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-Heroscapers Community Contributions-
 
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Re: The Book of Batman (Bruce Wayne)(II) - Design

NAME = BATMAN
SECRET IDENTITY = BRUCE WAYNE

SPECIES = HUMAN
UNIQUENESS = UNIQUE HERO
CLASS = VIGILANTE
PERSONALITY = DRIVEN

SIZE/HEIGHT = MEDIUM 5

LIFE = 4

MOVE = 6
RANGE = 1
ATTACK = 5
DEFENSE = 5

POINTS = 250

UTILITY BELT 3
At the start of the game, after Order Markers are placed and before initiative is rolled, you may place up to three Utility Equipment Glyphs of different types on this card. Batman can equip a Utility Equipment Glyph even if there are other Utility Equipment Glyphs on this card, up to a maximum of 3. Batman cannot lose these glyphs by receiving wounds unless he is destroyed.

SHADOW STRIKE 15
If Batman is attacked by any opponent's figure in clear sight and at least 1 skull is rolled, roll the 20-sided die, adding 1 to the roll if Batman is occupying a Shadow Tile. If you roll 1-14, roll defense normally. If you roll 15 or higher, Batman takes no damage, and may immediately move up to 3 spaces or move with the Glyph of Utility: Bat-Grapple if he is equipped with it. If Batman ends this movement within 5 clear sight spaces of the attacking figure, the attacking figure receives one wound. When Batman moves with Shadow Strike 15, he never takes leaving engagement attacks.
 
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Re: The Book of Batman (Bruce Wayne)(II) - Design

Cool. I like that he can't take on any extra glyphs when equipped with a utility glyph. I like that he can move 3 spaces with Shadow Strike 15 and gets a bonus for being in the shadow, which normally he could have height disadvantage, but now he is more dangerous while on a shadow space. He can't grapple those three spaces right as a movement with Shadow Strike could only include normal movement, but still cool and I'd often felt like the other one could have had something like that since he's kind of dodging he attack and throwing a b-rang while he's dodging.
 
Re: The Book of Batman (Bruce Wayne)(II) - Design

Glad you like! :) I originally had the D20 roll down at 13 and the shadow boost at +4 and his life at 5 ... but then I ran a few tests with him and he was feeling like 300+! So I had to trim things down a bit.

I'm digging him thus far, though, and after a few casual heavy hitter tests, I'm feeling 230-260 with him. I'm projecting high just because who knows what Utility Glyphs we'll add in the future, but he was a lot of fun with all of his glyphs and the strategic flexibility they provide.

Also, he doesn't have the Achilles' heel of Batman 1.0 where if you have range 6 or higher you can take him out fairly easily. This guy can dodge from anywhere, and can make you hurt unless you're shooting from about range 9+ (or slightly closer if there's a lot of uneven terrain).
 
Re: The Book of Batman (Bruce Wayne)(II) - Design

Remove the "a" in front of "15" in Shadow Strike.

I like the 3rd mini the best and then the 1st. This design is all about Equipment, and that mini has lots of Equipment on. I have that mini, and it looks really awesome in hand. However, there are two Batman sets coming out this year. I think we should wait and use the Movie version mini that we will likely be getting.
 
Re: The Book of Batman (Bruce Wayne)(II) - Design

UTILITY BELT
At the start of the game, after Order Markers are placed, before initiative is rolled, you may place up to three Utility Equipment Glyphs of your choice on this card. Batman cannot lose these Equipment Glyphs by any means unless he is destroyed. Batman may have up to three Utility Equipment Glyphs equipped at any one time, but cannot equip any glyphs that are not Utility Equipment Glyphs if he already has one or more glyphs equipped.

I am having a hard time understanding the need for the last line. According to our rules, figures can't pick up an E-glyph if they already have one, and he isn't gonna be tradding Utility Equipment Glyphs for other Utility Equipment glyphs if he can't ever lose them anyways - unless of course one is destroyed or stolen, but in that case, he won't be finding any more unless they are hidden on the battlefield... I think the power would look better without all of the red text, unless of course I am overlooking something.
 
Re: The Book of Batman (Bruce Wayne)(II) - Design

I'm usually not a fan of movie versions because their style clashes so much with the style of the rest of the clix ... I'd prefer the one you like with the rebreather over that.

Also, anyone have an idea when that set actually comes out? I think it might be after this wave releases in July.

Hopefully folks don't mind my editing out that "a" before the breathing period expires ... I just don't want to forget!
 
Re: The Book of Batman (Bruce Wayne)(II) - Design

Griffin said:
UTILITY BELT
At the start of the game, after Order Markers are placed, before initiative is rolled, you may place up to three Utility Equipment Glyphs of your choice on this card. Batman cannot lose these Equipment Glyphs by any means unless he is destroyed. Batman may have up to three Utility Equipment Glyphs equipped at any one time, but cannot equip any glyphs that are not Utility Equipment Glyphs if he already has one or more glyphs equipped.

I am having a hard time understanding the need for the last line. According to our rules, figures can't pick up an E-glyph if they already have one, and he isn't gonna be tradding Utility Equipment Glyphs for other Utility Equipment glyphs if he can't ever lose them anyways - unless of course one is destroyed or stolen, but in that case, he won't be finding any more unless they are hidden on the battlefield... I think the power would look better without all of the red text, unless of course I am overlooking something.
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He could decide to drop one in hopes of passing it off to a teammate and then when that becomes implausible (maybe the teammate is destroyed before they get a chance) he'd want to pick it back up.

If there's another Utility Glyph on the battlefield as a random placement, he might want to drop a Utility Glyph and pick that one up.

There are a couple of other scenarios I can think of with a future design I have in mind as well.

So I think the wording is worth keeping.
 
Those are good reasons to keep that wording and it makes sense to me.

As you guys know I'm not much of a fan of Batman so I'm probably not gonna comment much in this thread so I don't ruin him for the Batman fans, but I will be really unhappy if Batman comes in at a higher cost than 250 (give or take 10 points I suppose) because I really feel like he is at best on Spider-Man's level.
 
Re: The Book of Batman (Bruce Wayne)(II) - Design

fwiw, I'll be unhappy if he comes in over 250 as well and will be doing my very best to keep him there or under. 230 would be ideal for me, but I fear the tactical flexibility afforded with the Utility Belt and the awesomeness of the Shadow Strike power may prevent that.
 
Re: The Book of Batman (Bruce Wayne)(II) - Design

He's definitely very versatile, and I'm glad we are on the same page cost wise. Is there a certain army you want that makes you want him to come in at 230 points?
 
Re: The Book of Batman (Bruce Wayne)(II) - Design

No, I just like how it keeps him just below C3G Cap, which is about where I feel he fits into the C3Verse thematically. I'm OK with him going a little over that, though, and will just blame it on the equipment.

Being able to start out with the Emergency First Aid and not being able to have it knocked out of your hand is very helpful.

Edit: Though World's Finest (Superman II, Batman II, Robin II (aka Tim Drake) for 800 would be cool.
 
Re: The Book of Batman (Bruce Wayne)(II) - Design

That army is cool, but I'm glad you have a good reason for costing him there other than just one army. I'm starting to see a lot of that and I'm not sure it's the best practice because we can read what we want out of these tests many times. It's better to have an open mind when looking at the tests. But this doesn't relate to just Batman (II) so I'll stop after this post.
 
Re: The Book of Batman (Bruce Wayne)(II) - Design

For sure. I just wanted to represent certain design elements here - the Utility Belt and his ability to melt into the shadows and take people out, primarily.

My only real cost concerns are identical to yours - I don't want him being too insanely tough.
 
Re: The Book of Batman (Bruce Wayne)(II) - Design

IAmBatman said:
Griffin said:
UTILITY BELT
At the start of the game, after Order Markers are placed, before initiative is rolled, you may place up to three Utility Equipment Glyphs of your choice on this card. Batman cannot lose these Equipment Glyphs by any means unless he is destroyed. Batman may have up to three Utility Equipment Glyphs equipped at any one time, but cannot equip any glyphs that are not Utility Equipment Glyphs if he already has one or more glyphs equipped.
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He could decide to drop one in hopes of passing it off to a teammate and then when that becomes implausible (maybe the teammate is destroyed before they get a chance) he'd want to pick it back up.

If there's another Utility Glyph on the battlefield as a random placement, he might want to drop a Utility Glyph and pick that one up.
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  1. I completely forgot about "dropping" and there is also "passing" in our rules too. I thought I might be overlooking something.
  2. I hear ya, but at the same time, I have to comment on it. If you get to decide which 3 Glyphs to start with, why would you change your mind? :p Just kidding around on that really.
Batman may have up to three Utility Equipment Glyphs equipped at any one time,
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We already know that though. We know that at any time, he could have 3 on him.

but cannot equip any glyphs that are not Utility Equipment Glyphs if he already has one or more glyphs equipped.
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According to the rules, we already know this as well. We already know that a figure cannot Equip a glyph if it already has one, whether it is a Utility or not is irrelevant.

I think what you are trying to communicate are two things:
  1. Batman can equip a Utility Equipment Glyph even if there are other Utility Equipment Glyphs on this card. "Having" and "Equipping" are significantly different in terms of actually playing.
  2. Only a maximum of 3 Utility Equipment Glyphs can be on this card at the same time.
UTILITY BELT
At the start of the game, after Order Markers are placed and before initiative is rolled, you may place up to three Utility Equipment Glyphs on this card. Batman can equip a Utility Equipment Glyph even if there are other Utility Equipment Glyphs on this card, up to a maximum of 3. Batman cannot lose these Equipment Glyphs by any means unless he is destroyed.

  1. The second comma is replaced with "and"
  2. "of your choice" is kinda obvious
  3. Allows Batman to grab other UEGs during game play.
  4. Prevents more than 3 UEGs on the card at once.
 
Re: The Book of Batman (Bruce Wayne)(II) - Design

Griffin brings up good points and I think his rewrite covers all the bases you wanted here Bats. :up:
 
Re: The Book of Batman (Bruce Wayne)(II) - Design

Looks good. :) Thanks - I'll post it as an update to make post-breathing period.
 
Re: The Book of Batman (Bruce Wayne)(II) - Design

Oh, if folks could weigh in all official like in bold on mini preferences (feel free to throw out "wait and see about the next Batman clix release" as an option) that'd be awesome and much appreciated. :)
 
Re: The Book of Batman (Bruce Wayne)(II) - Design

I like miniature option #3 because he has the Utility Belt prominently featured on the figure unless the new Batman figure looks nice.

So out of our current options, I prefer #3.
 
Re: The Book of Batman (Bruce Wayne)(II) - Design

I like everything I see here. Mini 3 is ScubaBatman, so should not realistically be chosen.

I like the one where he's on the perch, but it's kinda weird that it matches the art on Bats 1.0. I think I prefer wait to see the movie mini, honestly, with standing on perch mini being a close second.
 
Re: The Book of Batman (Bruce Wayne)(II) - Design

tcglkn said:
I like miniature option #3 because he has the Utility Belt prominently featured on the figure unless the new Batman figure looks nice.

So out of our current options, I prefer #3.
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Re: The Book of Batman (Bruce Wayne)(II) - Design

But isn't 3 wearing a scuba mask?
 
Re: The Book of Batman (Bruce Wayne)(II) - Design

A Rebreather Utility Equipment Glyph is another intended glyph that will be designed. Basically, you have to use the imagination a bit and see that this figure has all the answers with him in forms of utilities. You can customize his gear for each game.
 
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