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The Book of Airborne Elite

I absoulutely hate the AE now. During NHSD they got the drop, on the first turn and with intiative. I was playing a Aubrine, Armoc, frenzy army. I lost all but two elves, one Armoc, Mittens, and Syvarris, in the first turn of the game! It was scary as heck, then the last two elves frenzied twice wipied out the AE, the game came down to one marden hound and Charos vs Syvarris. Syvarris was able to get Charos to 7 wounds, but sadly perished.


I must say after that battle I view the AE much differently.
 
I absoulutely hate the AE now. During NHSD they got the drop, on the first turn and with intiative. . .I must say after that battle I view the AE much differently.

Main problem I find with the AE is map creation. If you create a map where the starting location can be decimated by elevated ranged attacks, the AE always seem to drop on round 1 turn 1 and kill 3x their value in squads/heroes :x.

they're one of the more unique and remarkable ranged squads.
 
Quick question, we had a quick 3 player brawl yesterday and the question arose. One of our players was eliminated, without ever having his Airbones drop. But the other two were still playing. Would he still be able to drop his Airborne? Thanks in advance

Edit: Thanks for the help Killercactus and Sherman Davies
 
Quick question, we had a quick 3 player brawl yesterday and the question arose. One of our players was eliminated, without ever having his Airbones drop. But the other two were still playing. Would he still be able to drop his Airborne? Thanks in advance

I think if you have the undropped AE and no units left on the board, you're out of the game. I suppose it could be house-ruled differently for a multi-player game, though.
 
I have stopped drafting these guys, except in the occasional 4 way.. When they drop first round and get initiative, any units they want dead, die. Strolling onto a glyph and having height is crazy, and they make up for their points without trying. I love the idea of them, but I wish round two was the earliest they could drop.

Edit: My main point was that if they drop it makes the whole draft a waste, and a short unsatisfying game. Mindshackles are hilarious, Runa/DED are hilarious, a bunch of OP attacks before you can do anything is just awful.
 
I love the grenades. One time my opponent had a squad of samurai behind a ruins. I threw some grenades and i took out Three samurai and one marro.
 
Why does it say "you may place all 4 AE"

If you are rolling the 20d before initiative, why would you even roll if you don't want them on? I think it should say must.
 
It doesn't say "you must" because you don't have to drop them even if you can. I suppose you don't have to roll the d20 if you don't intend to drop them at all for that round.
 
I have stopped drafting these guys, except in the occasional 4 way.. When they drop first round and get initiative, any units they want dead, die. Strolling onto a glyph and having height is crazy, and they make up for their points without trying. I love the idea of them, but I wish round two was the earliest they could drop.

Edit: My main point was that if they drop it makes the whole draft a waste, and a short unsatisfying game. Mindshackles are hilarious, Runa/DED are hilarious, a bunch of OP attacks before you can do anything is just awful.

I 100% agree. On flatter maps and the like, I don't think the first turn drop is as big a deal. But when playing on a map that may not be tournament balanced (such as a big castle battle) they can really take the fun out of the game with a first turn drop that allows them complete control of the battlefield. We have talked about instituting a 2nd round drop rule on them in our house games to combat this very problem.
 
It doesn't say "you must" because you don't have to drop them even if you can. I suppose you don't have to roll the d20 if you don't intend to drop them at all for that round.

So why would you roll if you don't intend on dropping them?

**rolls a 13**
"naw I was just kidding, I don't want to drop them in"
 
It allows you to think it over. I mean you roll it get the 13 then think it over where as if you never rolled it...you would never get the decision.
 
Now that estervia's out I got a question. Her darkness cloud ability thing says that she has no hit zones. And the Airborne's card say you don't need line of sight when attack with grenade lob. So do you think that you should still be able to attack her?
 
I am pretty certain that they can lob grenades at her even if she is hiding (and Deathwalker 9000 could target her also because of his wording). I cannot remember or find the thread this discussion came up in before.
 
Now that estervia's out I got a question. Her darkness cloud ability thing says that she has no hit zones. And the Airborne's card say you don't need line of sight when attack with grenade lob. So do you think that you should still be able to attack her?

I'd say yes, if there is no hit zone it doesn't really mean a thing if you don't need to see a hit zone anyway, the attack is good. It's almost like a ranged attack playing by melee rules in the essence that you don't need to check line of sight.

Of course, this is the first instance I've seen this come up... is a hitzone required for an attack? Even adjacent? I suppose a similar question would be if an airborne elite could use a grenade on a Smoke Powdered Nakita... or if a figure that was adjacent to a Nakita attempted to attack after smoke powder was activated...

I still think yes, the attack is good though.

EDIT:
GatekeeperDatuck said:
I am pretty certain that they can lob grenades at her even if she is hiding (and Deathwalker 9000 could target her also because of his wording). I cannot remember or find the thread this discussion came up in before.

DW9000 cannot "target" the figure, but can affect the figure if she was adjacent to another figure that he attacked. (Still unsure if there was a difference between choosing and targeting though...)
 
I am pretty certain that they can lob grenades at her even if she is hiding (and Deathwalker 9000 could target her also because of his wording). I cannot remember or find the thread this discussion came up in before.

I remember the discussion you're thinking of, it had something to do with the Nakita Agent's smoke powder.

The relevant ruling was that if the AE set off smoke powder they are allowed to attack the Nakitas with their grenades despite the fact that they have no visible hit zones.
 
EDIT:
GatekeeperDatuck said:
I am pretty certain that they can lob grenades at her even if she is hiding (and Deathwalker 9000 could target her also because of his wording). I cannot remember or find the thread this discussion came up in before.

DW9000 cannot "target" the figure, but can affect the figure if she was adjacent to another figure that he attacked. (Still unsure if there was a difference between choosing and targeting though...)

Actually, Deathwalker 9000's special attack does not need line of sight, but 'clear sight', which means that if you can see any plastic of the figure, even untargetable, then you can shoot it. Here is the previous discussion (page 6 in the Estivaria pre-release thread): http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=29256&page=6
 
EDIT:
GatekeeperDatuck said:
I am pretty certain that they can lob grenades at her even if she is hiding (and Deathwalker 9000 could target her also because of his wording). I cannot remember or find the thread this discussion came up in before.

DW9000 cannot "target" the figure, but can affect the figure if she was adjacent to another figure that he attacked. (Still unsure if there was a difference between choosing and targeting though...)

Actually, Deathwalker 9000's special attack does not need line of sight, but 'clear sight', which means that if you can see any plastic of the figure, even untargetable, then you can shoot it. Here is the previous discussion (page 6 in the Estivaria pre-release thread): http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=29256&page=6

You're right, I was thinking of a different (and short) debate that involved the "choosing" vs "targeting" wordage, I completely forgot about him simply needing clear sight. (This post sums it up http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showpost.php?p=690320&postcount=42 )
 
The AE's can throw grenades at Estivara if she's in her Cloud.

DW9K (and the Shotgun boys) can still shoot Estivara when in her Cloud.

Any AoE attack that "affects" figures can hit Estivara if she is "affected". Stuff like Fire Line and Lolth's Wrath are still going to get her, and anytime she's in the collateral damage of an attack like Majestic Fires or Rain of Flame.

Tul-Bak-Ra can Mind Blast her.

As for the AE vs. Nakitas thing, I don't know how that ever even came up. Smoke Powder doesn't work against Special Attacks.

Lastly, you never need LOS to attack an adjacent figure.
 
I think the debate was: if the first AE tries to shoot normally, and smoke powder is rolled, can they all then choose to throw grenades instead (since no AE has taken a normal ranged shot yet). This is still a good question, and I think they would be allowed to use their grenades.
 
I think the debate was: if the first AE tries to shoot normally, and smoke powder is rolled, can they all then choose to throw grenades instead (since no AE has taken a normal ranged shot yet). This is still a good question, and I think they would be allowed to use their grenades.

No, they can't.

The Nakita Agents can only use Smoke Powder against a normal attack. The Smoke Powder roll doesn't happen until a Nakita Agent is targeted with a normal attack. Once an AE targets using its normal attack, it's stuck using it. It can't switch to the Special Attack, because the normal attack has already begun.

That would be like Q9 targeting a Nakita Agent with his normal attack, Smoke Powder succeeding, and then Q9 using Queglix on something else. Doesn't work that way.
 
I can see where that would be the correct ruling (it could be inferred from this:


- SMOKE POWDER 13 : ‘Targeting’ Figures For an Attack
If I ‘target’ a Nakita Agent, (or any figure adjacent to a Nakita Agent), and they successfully roll Smoke Powder, can I
target another figure not adjacent to a Nakita Agent and attack them?

Yes. Before attacking a Nakita Agent, (or adjacent figure), with a normal ranged attack, you must first declare that
you are targeting that figure. If Smoke Powder is successfully rolled, you may then target and attack any other figure
within range. (dnutt99) )

However, it seems kind of odd to me that you would be unable to switch attack types if you hadn't thrown any attack dice (I understand that the Nakita's rolled a die, but I did not think it would tie you down to a normal attack). Is there a thread where this was debated so that I can read through the arguments on both sides? There was a slight discussion on page 6 of the Book of Nakita Agents, and the consensus at that time was that retargeting with Q9 or Kaemon Awa, etc. using a special instead of a normal was okay. I could not find any other info about it.
 
However, it seems kind of odd to me that you would be unable to switch attack types if you hadn't thrown any attack dice (I understand that the Nakita's rolled a die, but I did not think it would tie you down to a normal attack). Is there a thread where this was debated so that I can read through the arguments on both sides? There was a slight discussion on page 6 of the Book of Nakita Agents, and the consensus at that time was that retargeting with Q9 or Kaemon Awa, etc. using a special instead of a normal was okay. I could not find any other info about it.

No, that's just my interpretation. If it was discussed and agreed that you can switch attack types after targeting with a normal attack, then the AE would be OK to attack the Nakitas. I just didn't believe it worked that way.

"You have no power here, killercactus the Grey!"
 
I'd interpret it in the same way as killercactus... you've already decided to use your normal attack, so now you're stuck with it.
 
Just want to throw this out there for new players correct sequence for the AE:

1) Roll for drop
2) place figures not adjecent to eachother or other figures
3) Set up order markers
4) Roll for Initiative

I know it says on the card but a lot of people forget the order. I cant count how many times people i play with would do it last and they would drop them and be done for that round because they didnt put any order markers on them! I would say READ THE CARD!

So make sure you read the card people!
 
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