Soldiers of Valhalla - nominations and discussion

[Scytale]

We are open for business!

Just as a reminder, these are the general features that we will be judging on, so keep them in mind for your nominations:

• Balance-Are the points correct?
• Playability-Are the powers clear and understandable? Are its master stats appropriate? If it is Large or Huge, what type of base does it use? Is it visually distinct from pre-existing units?
• Creativity-Does it add something new to the game?
• Theme-Does it fit in the HS universe?
• Accessibility-Is the sculpt, or sculpts, available, at a reasonable price, and with limited modification? To help with this, it is encouraged that a link to the mini is included with the nomination (check out Lamaclown's list of mini sites for help with that). Per our new guidelines, we are no longer considering this at the time of review.

Our mission is to review custom units for balance, playability and creativity and to approve deserving candidates for inclusion in HeroScape play. Approved figures will fit in the HeroScape canon thematically and will be suitably priced.

We rely on community involvement in nominating units which will then be playtested by a panel of judges. Judges are permanently appointed, and serve until they choose to step down. The current Judges are:

• Scytale
• superfrog
• wriggz
• Dysole
• Vydar_XLIII
• KnightOfLight
• Xiegfried
• Shurrig
• MegaSilver

Soldiers of Valhalla display thread (inducted units)
SoV & C3V Books of Index

Week at HSers SoV Interview Part I
Week at HSers SoV Interview Part II


units pending acceptance for review

Jedidia Mulroney by Pumpkin_King (submitted by Leaf_It)

Yes - 0​

No - 1 (Scytale)​

not yet voted - 8 (superfrog, wriggz, Dysole, Vydar_XLIII, KnightOfLight, Xiegfried, Shurrig, and Megasilver)​

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units under Unified Fanscape review

Jan Sobieski by Shadowking


units currently being reviewed

High Dune Scorpions by Sir Heroscape and Leaf It

Yes - 2 (Scytale and Megasilver)​

No - 1 (Shurrig)​

not yet voted - 3 (Dysole and Xiegfried)​

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Master Aldorn (primary) by Leaf_It

Yes - 1 (Scytale)​

No - 1 (KnightOfLight)​

not yet voted - 3 (superfrog, Dysole, and MegaSilver)​

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Visages of Aldorn (secondary) by Leaf_It

Yes - 1 (Scytale)​

No - 1 (KnightOfLight)​

not yet voted - 3 (superfrog, Dysole, and MegaSilver)​

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Necro-Mage Elbda by NecroBlade

Yes - 1 (Scytale)​

No - 0​

not yet voted - 4 (wriggz, Vydar_XLIII, Shurrig, and Xiegfried)​

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Brigdhe by Shadowking

Yes - 1 (Scytale)​

No - 0​

not yet voted - 4 (wriggz, Dysole, KnightOfLight, and MegaSilver)​

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Wulfing Hunters by Shiftrex

Yes - 1 (Scytale)​

No - 0​

not yet voted - 4 (superfrog, wriggz, Shurrig, and MegaSilver)​

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Nordlüng by Sherman Davies

Yes - 1 (Vydar_XLIII)​

No - 0​

not yet voted - 4 (Scytale, wriggz, KnightOfLight, and Xiegfried)​

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Akane by Shadowking

Yes - 0​

No - 0​

not yet voted - 5 (Scytale, wriggz, Xiegfried, Shurrig, and Megasilver)​

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Colossus by Curt

Yes - 0​

No - 0​

not yet voted - 5 (Scytale, superfrog, Dysole, KnightOfLight, and Xiegfried)​

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High Forest Vanguard by Shadowking

Yes - 0​

No - 0​

not yet voted - 5 (Scytale, wriggz, Vydar_XLIII, Xiegfried, and Shurrig)​

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units under final United Fanscape review

Rujin by Sir Heroscape

Yes - 4 (Scytale, Vydar_XLIII, superfrog, and Dysole)​

No - 0​

Agrith-Naar by Sir Heroscape

Yes - 4 (Scytale, superfrog, wriggz, and Dysole)​

No - 0​

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Drow Assassin by Leaf It

Yes - 4 (Scytale, superfrog, wriggz, and Vydar_XLIII)​

No - 0​

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Shadow Wraith by Sir Heroscape

Yes - 4 (Scytale, BiggaBullfrog, Dysole, and Vydar_XLIII)​

No - 1 (Astroking112)​

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Jim Whitecloud by Leaf It

Yes - 4 (Scytale, wriggz, Xiegfried, and superfrog)​

No - 0​

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[Scytale]

SECTION 1: Submission guidelines and tips
1. Any number of units may be nominated in a single post, including "synergistic" units that function best as a group. When nominating multiple units, you may choose one of four options for your submission:

a) Choose a unit to be the "primary" unit of the submission, and the rest to be "secondary" units. The "primary" unit may pass by itself without the "secondary" units passing, but if the "primary" unit fails, all "secondary" units will be withdrawn. "Secondary" units will be judged based on the "primary" unit.​

b) Designate the entire submission as a "faction". For a "faction" submission, if a single unit fails, the remainder of the "faction" will be withdrawn.​

c) Choose a group of units (more than one but less than the total number of submissions) to be the "primary" group and the remainder to be the "secondary" group. The "primary" group will be considered as a "faction" under Section 1-1b, and the "secondary" units will be considered as "secondary" units under Section 1-1a in relation to the "primary" group.​

d) All units stand or fall on their own merit, as if they were separate nominations.​

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2. Nominated units require a card formatted in a manner that is easy to read.
3. Miniatures must be listed in the submission, readily available, and appropriately scaled, with consideration taken for cost and for labor, such as paint, required to obtain the sculpt. In all but some special cases the miniatures must be pre-painted.
4. All units suggested should fit thematically within the Heroscape universe. Units should follow a Heroscape general and should include an origin world that is part of the Heroscape canon in almost all cases.
5. Anyone can nominate a unit for consideration. Nominated units require a majority vote (50%+1) of the Council before they will be considered for review.
6. Do NOT slap a unit together and nominate it for consideration. Game play experience and observations are encouraged. The SoV is a tool for ensuring excellence, not for helping refine a rough draft. (The Pre-SoV Workshop is a great place to look for help refining a unit before submitting it here.)

SECTION 2: How units are judged
Units nominated for consideration will go through the following process after a majority of acceptance votes by the judges:
1. Units accepted for review will be playtested competitively at least once by five judges.
2. Consideration for approved units will be given, generally, based on the following criteria and in this order: balance, playability, creativity, and theme.
3. Time for consideration is: as long as it takes for the judges to make an informed decision.
4. Great units will be approved, not good ones. Don't let this discourage you.
5. Judge discussions will occur in public and private forums on the non-official Heroscape web site: Currently www.heroscapers.com
6. Reviews on units will be public with status and results presented.
7. Units must receive 4 reviews supporting induction and no more than 1 review against induction in order to be considered for acceptance into the Soldiers of Valhalla, after which they will be reviewed by the C3V and if approved there will be re-formatted and given the Soldiers of Valhalla Seal of Approval and admitted into the C3V as well.

SECTION 3: Self-governance
1. The Council will contain a number of judges that the sitting judges find appropriate, but never less than 5.
2. Judges will maintain their position unless:
a) They are not heard from by fellow judges on the official non-official Heroscape web site for a period of 31 days, or
b) They abstain for a total of three months or for three consecutive units under review, whichever comes later.
3. If a vacancy on the council occurs, judges will be replaced by those who:
a) show interest in serving, and
b) after consideration of the sitting judges receive 75 % vote of approval. Voting and discussion of a replacement judge may occur in private.
4. Judges will not be allowed to vote on their own units. During the judging of their own units their vote will be considered an abstention for the percentages needed to both playtest and approve the unit. Their vote will NOT be counted as an abstention for purposes of the "three consecutive units" portion of Section 3-2-b.
5. These by-laws may be changed and amended at any time by a 75% vote of sitting judges.


Units that have been inducted in the Soldiers of Valhalla:
link to YES reviews link to NO reviews

Zombie Hulk (submission) by dok and Good Pig
Tyrian the Kyrie Warrior (submission) by Paronychodon
Zettian Infantry (submission) by dok
Priscus (submission) by Filthy the Clown
Cxurg'gyath (submission) by Tolamos
Beakface Sneaks (submission) by Super Bogue
Hoplitron (submission) by dok
Brimstone (submission) by Scytale
Kantono Daishi (submission) by qt.bangerang
Jarek Guy (submission) by fishguy1
Prince Al'kahora (submission) by capsocrates
Asterios (submission) by the French HS Community
Red Ants of Aunstrom (submission) by Scytale
Cormin the Dark (submission) by Maklar the Silver Prince
Ashi-Dhulu (submission) by MegaSilver
Urk (submission) by Ninja Status and superfrog
Executioner 616 (submission) by Dysole
Kon-Tar-Na (submission) by dok
Viceron the Blood Knight (submission) by Ixe
Maltis Tez (submission) by Leaf It
Tetraites (submission) by Sir Heroscape
Bol (submission) by The Dewk
Uzog (submission) by Kinseth
Kha (submission) by kolakoski
Rendar Fy (submission) by capsocrates
Lilja (Book)(submission) by Lamaclown
Xundar (primary) (submission) by Sir Heroscape
Shadow Binder (secondary) (submission) by Sir Heroscape
Shadow Fiend (secondary) (submission) by Sir Heroscape
Shadow Hound (secondary) (submission) by Sir Heroscape
Specters of Aldorn (submission) by Leaf It
Beakface Rogue (submission) by Sir Heroscape and wriggz
Soontir Van (submission) by Arch-vile
Swaysil (submission) by Maklar the Silver Prince
Olog (submission) by The Long eared bat
Clayton Pierce (submission) by Discord group
Kate Crawford (submission) by Pumpkin_King
M.A.R.S. (submission) by Astroking112
Masha Shingai (submission) by Astroking112
Lee Jun (submission) by Leaf It

Units that were reviewed but not approved for Soldiers of Valhalla:

Due to character limits per post, these units can be found here.

 

[tcglkn]

Re: SoV

1. Nominated units require a card formatted in a manner that is easy to read.

Does that mean I could create my own card layout if I wanted to?

 

[1Mmirg]

Re: Soldiers of Valhalla nominations and discussion

It does mean that, though in the end I believe that we are looking for cards to fit fully within the Heroscape world (note #3 above). So, it's likely that we'd end up doing a revision of the card to match other Heroscape cards.

This is still a point of some discussion among the judges, but in my mind #3 implies a standard Heroscape card at some point.

 

[Killometer]

Re: SoV

1. Nominated units require a card formatted in a manner that is easy to read.

Does that mean I could create my own card layout if I wanted to?

Yes, any well organized card is allowable for review, but accepted units will be reformatted to a traditional HS-style card.

 

[tcglkn]

Re: Soldiers of Valhalla nominations and discussion

Do you have an art guy for this project? I would be totally willing to lead on that front. I just do not have the time to playtest that would be needed to judge.

 

[1Mmirg]

Re: Soldiers of Valhalla nominations and discussion

Thanks for the offer. We'll talk about it and let you know. Of course, first a card has to actually make it past our grueling review--might be months, even years... .

 

[tcglkn]

Re: Soldiers of Valhalla nominations and discussion

Thanks for the offer. We'll talk about it and let you know. Of course, first a card has to actually make it past our grueling review--might be months, even years... .

Why do you think I am willing to help? Won't be much work. But I would love to design a stamp, then create a good card for each unit we passed with the stamp. atmospro is supposed to hook me up with his production quality template soon.

 

[Lamaclown]

Re: Soldiers of Valhalla nominations and discussion

Since any nominated card must have an available miniature to go with it you can check the availability of your miniature using the links below to various online miniatures games stores.

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Auggie's

Cool Stuff, Inc.

Miniature Market

Troll and Toad

Wargamer's Headquarters
(House Mouse Games is a Site Sponsor as well. The above list represents the Site Sponsors who carry other games in addition to Heroscape)

Other Stores:

Fantization (one of my favorites)

Games Empire

FRP Games (another really good one)

RPG Shop This one seems to have disappeared

Noble Knight Games

Paizo

The Warstore

Reaper Mini

Crocodile Games

Privateer Press (Hordes, Warmachine, Monsterpocalypse, Voltron [if only Voltron was the right scale])

Role 4 Initiative (D&D)

Wyrd Miniatures (Malifaux)

Games Workshop (I know, I know, but some people do use their sculpts)

Icon USA

Team Covenant (they specialize in Monster Apocalypse)

There are others but if a miniature used for a custom can't be found on any of these sites, chances are it is no longer available.

Also, sites like Cool Mini or Not probably wouldn't be acceptable as a source for availability. It has a gallery of some incredible paint jobs (visit it if you've never been there) but it isn't a good source to purchase from.

If you know of other stores that offer something in miniatures that you don't think any of the above offer feel free to let us know through PM and it can be added to this post.

 

[quozl]

Re: Soldiers of Valhalla nominations and discussion

I'm not allowed not to nominate yet but I'm thinking about nominating Deathwalker 10000 by krysto2002.

 

[flameslayer93]

Re: Soldiers of Valhalla nominations and discussion

I can probably figure out a good nomination for a card. I'll wait on it though

 

[Dad_Scaper]

Re: Soldiers of Valhalla nominations and discussion

One sneak peek:

Valkrill is ok by us. We're all about evil.

 

[robbdaman]

Re: Soldiers of Valhalla nominations and discussion

You'll have to add Games Workshop to the list Lama. I know they aren't well loved by some but the stuff they put out works great for what we need.

 

[Killometer]

Re: Soldiers of Valhalla-ready for nominations!

The Soldiers of Valhalla is ready for nominations.


Just as a reminder, these are the general features that we will be judging on, so keep them in mind for your nominations:

• Balance-Are the points correct?
• Playability-Are the powers clear and understandable? Are its master stats appropriate?
• Creativity-Does it add something new to the game?
• Theme-Does it fit in the HS universe?
• Accessibility-Is the sculpt, or sculpts, available, at a reasonable price, and with limited modification? To help with this, it is encouraged that a link to the mini is included with the nomination (check out Lamaclown's list of mini sites for help with that)

 

[quozl]

Re: Soldiers of Valhalla-READY FOR NOMINATIONS!

I nominate Deathwalker 10000 by Krysto2002:

 

[nyys]

Re: Soldiers of Valhalla-READY FOR NOMINATIONS!

Card?
Mini information?

 

[Killometer]

Re: Soldiers of Valhalla-READY FOR NOMINATIONS!

krysto2002's Deathwalker 10000. Krysto brought up the point that this custom is not based on a real available figure

Unless this has been corrected, I vote NO to review DW10K.

 

[Therrian]

Re: Soldiers of Valhalla-READY FOR NOMINATIONS!

I'm not generally the type to nominate my own items, but I think in the case of customs it's going to be hard to get lots of nominations by other folks due to the vast number of threads out there.

Given the above, I am putting forward one of my own customs for nomination. I have playtested these guys a number of times (a couple of which are recorded in my custom thread) and have made a number of tweaks to their original design. I think it's a solid figure, but I would not be surprised at all if you guys felt it needed a tweak or two as I don't have the strategic mind for this game that I know alot of you guys do

As such, I humbly put forward 'The Nightwalker' and his 'Bodaks' for nomination into the Soldiers of Valhalla.

The Nightwalker - D&D Mini - Link To Buy - http://store02.prostores.com/servlet/auggiesgames/Detail?no=3406
Alternative Model - http://store02.prostores.com/servlet/auggiesgames/Detail?no=5958

Bodak - D&D Mini - Link To Buy - http://store02.prostores.com/servlet/auggiesgames/Detail?no=5938

 

[Lamaclown]

Re: Soldiers of Valhalla-READY FOR NOMINATIONS!

krysto2002's Deathwalker 10000. Krysto brought up the point that this custom is not based on a real available figure

Unless this has been corrected, I vote NO to review DW10K.

The unavailability of the figure leads me to have to vote NO to review as well for DW10K.

 

[ZBeeblebrox]

Re: Soldiers of Valhalla-READY FOR NOMINATIONS!

Deathwalker 10,000
OK it looks like a Thor II from Battletech...but if you try to find that figure in minature form...its almost impossible. I thought I would look up alternatives and offer them, but Mechwarrior miniature are sold out everywhere.

So with this in mind, I am voting No to reveiw

 

[Killometer]

Re: Soldiers of Valhalla-READY FOR NOMINATIONS!

I think that every figure that can hit the board needs to have an explicit point cost, so I vote NO to review the Nightwalker and Bodaks.

Edit: With ZB's NO vote for krysto2002's Deathwalker 10000, it has recieved 3 NOs and is removed from the process.

 

[Lamaclown]

Re: Soldiers of Valhalla-READY FOR NOMINATIONS!

I think that every figure that can hit the board needs to have an explicit point cost, so I vote NO to review the Nightwalker and Bodaks.

I have to agree; even the Rechets have a point cost. I like the concept but must vote NO to review The Nightwalker and Brodak because of one being a non-costed unit (it is hard to determine the balance of a figure that has no cost, even if its cost is "inherent" in another figure's cost).

 

[Therrian]

Re: Soldiers of Valhalla-READY FOR NOMINATIONS!

Thanks for the feedback guys, and I understand what you guys mean.

The one thing I would ask however is try not to look at the Bodak as it's own figure...because it really isn't in the traditional sense.

The Bodak is really a special power of the Nightwalker, and as such, was built directly into the points of The Nightwalker. Having to spend points on the Bodak's wouldn't really work as you never know how many you are going to have and it's largely dependant on the type of battle going on. There may be battles where it makes no sense to create a Bodak due to the tactics being used by your enemy (and the inherent risk in creating them). Regardless, you can never have more then 3, and I never found it to be overpowered. (at least not in my hands, hehe). Those decisions are what I was hoping would make the figure interesting to use as well as balanced.

I 100% understand if this new mechanic will not work for you guys, just wondering if looking at it from a different perspective changes your thoughts at all?

 

[Killometer]

Re: Soldiers of Valhalla-READY FOR NOMINATIONS!

Sorry, but no (at least for me). I understood that they are "part" of the Nightwalker, but since they have their own card and their own figure(s), they need their own price, imo. Lamaclown's example of the Rechets is perfect-you have no idea if you'll get to use them, but you have to pay seperately for them anyways.

They're a cool idea, but I'm not ready to break so far away from HS convention yet (Fanscape might take us there eventually, though ).

 

[Therrian]

Re: Soldiers of Valhalla-READY FOR NOMINATIONS!

Thanks for taking another look Killo, and I understand.

I would argue that the Rechets are not really the same, as I can't think of any example where you wouldn't really want to summon them, where as I can think of a number of situations where I would't want to create a Bodak (in addition to not being able to due to the creation requirements), but I know it's a little out there as far as abilities go

Thanks again for the eyes on the custom though