The reason I said adjacent and not engaged is that technically you can only engage opponent's figures, whereas you can be adjacent to your own and can attack your own. So they're *mostly* the same thing, but not completely.
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The reason I said adjacent and not engaged is that technically you can only engage opponent's figures, whereas you can be adjacent to your own and can attack your own. So they're *mostly* the same thing, but not completely.
You could avoid the figure
Not everything is caught during play testing.
So everyone knows, I submitted these questions to Renegade on 12/25 with no response so far. Why I am asking here.
Xenithrax's tail may spill over to a space that is 5 spaces away, but the tail does not occupy that space. The tail is part of the figure that occupies only two spaces, one that is 6 spaces away and another (I presume) that is either 6 or 7 spaces away.
I agree, an illustrated clarification would be helpful, but this is not a new situation introduced by Renegade. It goes all the way back to the beginning (2004) with Grimnak's tail.
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Let's pretend that the front half of Xenithrax is 5 spaces away, the back half is 6 spaces away, and the tail spills over a space that is 7 spaces away. Now let's pretend Bok-Bur-Na can only see the tail, because Xenithrax is mostly hiding behind a big obstacle, like a Fortress wall or something. Because Xenithrax occupies at least one space that is in range, Bok-Bur-Na can use his ranged 5 attack.
The tail is not 7 spaces away. The tail, and the entire hit-zone of Xenitrax, is both 6 and 5 spaces away. The same would apply to any two-space figure. This has been addressed in the FAQ:
The tail is not 7 spaces away. The tail, and the entire hit-zone of Xenitrax, is both 6 and 5 spaces away. The same would apply to any two-space figure. This has been addressed in the FAQ:
Heroscape FAQ said:
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Thank you for finding this. Based on this, it is implied that an attacking figure must have range to a defending figure's hexes (base) to be in range. The darn rulebooks (past and current) only say the figure and not the figure's base for determining if something is in range.
I was getting tripped up with the words of Adjacent, Adjacency, & Engaged. Must been drinking too much Wellspring water that has been tainted. I am all good now after reading the rules for the nth time. Now need wait for some game to happen in my area, preferable within 100 miles. Waiting of course is not fun.
If anyone was curious, below is Renegade's response:
Here's what the developers sent to answer your questions.
- Attacks with a range of 1 can only be performed against an engaged target.
- Range is measure to the space(s) the figure occupies, so to the base. Not being able to fit behind Xenithrax is a different thing and her tail doesn’t get to count as being in a different space from her body. If you could fit in that space you could stand there.
We didn't have the figures for testing. There were fragile prototypes at Hasbro, I heard, for at least some of the figures, but they weren't in our hands.
Thank you for your reply. That make more sense now.
HolyDiver
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I think the answer is (sadly) that it's impossible unless your scenario allows for multiples of the same glyph (Or Mindshackling an extra of one of these guys). The best I could do is 11.
Here's how:
Brute Gruts (from VC): 3 base attack.
Their ability, Bully: +1 attack against a common figure.
Adjacent to Finn the Viking Champion: +1
Adjacent to Tornak and Grimnak: +2
Within Taelord's aura: +1
Height advantage: +1
Controlling the Glyph of Astrid: +1
Controlling the Glyph of Ulanvia: +1
I'm really hoping that I forgot something, cause that is frustratingly close! Treasure glyphs only work on unique heroes so that won't work. My only other thought was that there is some official scenario that can give them an extra attack, but I doubt that scenario would also have Astrid and Ulanvia. Is there a way I'm unware of to give a unique squad figure a ranged attack, somewhere in VC perhaps? If so, we could get that extra +1 for extreme height advantage.
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Maklar the Silver Prince
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Bahadur's spirit would get you there
Knew I was missing something!
HolyDiver
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Yeah, I was going by just what could be done by a single player, without any duplicate effects or characters.
As for extreme height, it's not possible for a melee unit. Extreme height counts spaces above the defending figure's height, not their base, so you would never be adjacent.
southwest ninja
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Could go the route of using an arrow grut.
Arrow Grut - 1
Surrounding swogs - 6
Taelord - 1
Glyph of Astrid- 1
Glyph of Crevcor -1
Height - 1
Extreme Height - 1
Myriadite
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Prefect! This is probably the exact scenario Hasbro had in mind when they placed 12 dice in the box. Just in case.
HolyDiver
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So actually, Renegade's ruling on extreme height is different from the classic ruling:
So now 11 is the highest possible in classic, using a Heavy Grut with extreme height, attacking some figure with >10 height, plus all the modifiers I mentioned before. You could go arbitrarily large if you allowed teammates or mindshackle or whatnot.
HolyDiver
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I'm sure it's been answered elsewhere, but I can't find it for the life of me: I wanted clarification about when the only figures in your army are not on the board.
1. Airborne Elite. If your last figure is destroyed before the Airborne Elite drop, you lose correct? Even in a multiplayer game?
2. Ataraxis the Starlich. In a 1v1 game, if Ataraxis is on an opponent's army card, nobody is around to destroy her so I lose the game. What about in a free for all with multiple players? In a team game?
3. Vorid Glide Striker. Since you are guaranteed a placement every time you reveal an order marker on the strikers, my instinct says that you don't lose until all 4 have deployed and been destroyed.
4. Wing Commander Tuck Harrigan. I assume he would match the Airborne Elite's ruling, but wanted to include him here for completion's sake.
1. Airborne Elite. If your last figure is destroyed before the Airborne Elite drop, you lose correct? Even in a multiplayer game?
2. Ataraxis the Starlich. In a 1v1 game, if Ataraxis is on an opponent's army card, nobody is around to destroy her so I lose the game. What about in a free for all with multiple players? In a team game?
3. Vorid Glide Striker. Since you are guaranteed a placement every time you reveal an order marker on the strikers, my instinct says that you don't lose until all 4 have deployed and been destroyed.
4. Wing Commander Tuck Harrigan. I assume he would match the Airborne Elite's ruling, but wanted to include him here for completion's sake.
I guess it would depend on the victory conditions for each player.
The usual default is when all figures have been destroyed. I would read that as if all the figures for your army have been destroyed.
I think this was thought of because the Airborne Elite came out in first Heroscape product release.
Where some of the above might apply if the victory condition for the opponent is "when all figures on the battlefield have been destroyed.NOTE: I would also check with the group you are playing with to see if there are house rules.