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[Pod 2] Katryn Vade (Nahiri, Fury in Stone) - Design

Re: [Pod 2] Katryn Vade (Nahiri, Fuy in Stone) - Editing

Does anything else in the set consider size thus far?
 
Re: [Pod 2] Katryn Vade (Nahiri, Fuy in Stone) - Editing

Does anything else in the set consider size thus far?

Yes; at this point Dienekes, Ozuul, and Vlad all have powers that only affect small/medium figures, so the Huge immunity to those powers will actually be fairly relevant in games using just the AotV figures.
 
Re: [Pod 2] Katryn Vade (Nahiri, Fuy in Stone) - Editing

Does anything else in the set consider size thus far?

Yes; at this point Dienekes, Ozuul, and Vlad all have powers that only affect small/medium figures, so the Huge immunity to those powers will actually be fairly relevant in games using just the AotV figures.

Okay- I just want to make sure it's not vanity text.
 
Re: [Pod 2] Katryn Vade (Nahiri, Fuy in Stone) - Editing

Something to think about; what happens when Katryn becomes Huge while atop a Pillar of Hár? I'm not sure how official the wording is that "only small or medium figures can be placed", but if that wording is correct then I think we'll be fine if she changes back and forth while up there. (Of note, as a melee figure she doesn't have much reason to climb in the first place, but it is a possibility.)
 
Re: [Pod 2] Katryn Vade (Nahiri, Fuy in Stone) - Editing

Yeah, as long as that wording remains then I don't think we have any problem. It's a good point to bring up, but I'm confident that we'll be able to make sure that the language for Katryn and the Pillar are compatible whenever they both go through editing.

@Scytale, does the revised Aspect of the Dragon power fix the potential timing issues?

How do we all feel about sending this draft to playtesting?

Katryn Vade
Icarian
Unique Hero
Champion
Devout
Medium 5

LIFE 5
MOVE 5 / BASIC
RANGE 1 / BASIC
ATTACK 5 / BASIC
DEFENSE 3 / BASIC

110 POINTS

DRAGONHEART BLADE SPECIAL ATTACK
Range 1. Attack 3.
Choose a figure to attack. Any figures adjacent to the chosen figure are also affected by Dragonheart Blade Special Attack. Squad figures roll 1 less defense die against Dragonheart Blade Special Attack. Roll attack dice once for all affected figures. Each figure rolls defense dice separately. Katryn Vade cannot be affected by her own Dragonheart Blade Special Attack.

ASPECT OF THE DRAGON
After revealing an Order Marker on an Army Card you control and before taking a turn with that army card, you may either place or remove the Aspect Marker on this card. While the Aspect marker is on Katryn's Army Card, Katryn has a size of Huge instead of what is listed on this Army Card.
@Zetsubo @Alexandros @Skinderella @NecroBlade @Astroking112 @flameslayer93
 
Re: [Pod 2] Katryn Vade (Nahiri, Fuy in Stone) - Editing

Looks good to me. I think she is ready for play testing
 
Re: [Pod 2] Katryn Vade (Nahiri, Fuy in Stone) - Editing

This would use one of the starburst markers from AotP.
 
Re: [Pod 2] Katryn Vade (Nahiri, Fuy in Stone) - Editing

I'd prefer not to allow Aspect of the Dragon to be activated at the beginning of opponent's turns because it requires you to remember to declare it before your opponent moves any of their figures, which will be annoying in practice.

That's a fair concern, though I'm not sure that it'd actually be that annoying on the board (IMO most players wouldn't be too picky about forgetting to have put it on, or--in a more competitive setting--the Katryn player would quickly get into the habit of switching it either on or off after taking a turn).

My main concern with limiting Aspect of the Dragon to after an OM reveal is that she's losing out on one of the main benefits of the power in being able to choose specific invulnerabilities each turn. Being forced to make her Medium on your own turn to ride Theracus stops her from claiming Huge on the opponent's turn, for example, which is unfortunate and narrows the scope of the power a decent amount.

That said, I'm willing to test it out with only using her player's turns as a trigger and see if the power is still satisfying without that extra flexibility. :up: to have the version from Post #205 enter Editing.
 
Re: [Pod 2] Katryn Vade (Nahiri, Fuy in Stone) - Editing

While I'm suggesting basic stats... 5/1/5/5.
 
Re: [Pod 2] Katryn Vade (Nahiri, Fuy in Stone) - Editing

Yeah Stupendous is correct. I tend to view Basic Defense as some combination of Life and Defense... not that the stats really matter on the Forbidden Side of the card.
 
Re: [Pod 2] Katryn Vade (Nahiri, Fuy in Stone) - Editing

@Scytale , does the revised Aspect of the Dragon power fix the potential timing issues?
Yes, this version is ok, with some editing.

Whenever you have time Scytale, just let me know what your preferred wording is for the power below and I'll update the OP. Thanks!

ASPECT OF THE DRAGON
After revealing an Order Marker on an Army Card you control and before taking a turn with that army card, you may either place or remove the Aspect Marker on this card. While the Aspect marker is on Katryn's Army Card, Katryn has a size of Huge instead of what is listed on this Army Card.
 
Re: [Pod 2] Katryn Vade (Nahiri, Fuy in Stone) - Editing

I think this wording works.
ASPECT OF THE DRAGON
After revealing an Order Marker on an Army Card you control and before taking a turn, you may either place or remove the Aspect Marker on this card. While the Aspect marker is on this card, Katryn Vade's size is Huge.
How about also changing her species to Dragon?
 
Re: [Pod 2] Katryn Vade (Nahiri, Fuy in Stone) - Editing

I don't think that does anything other than make her allergic to Nhah Scrih, right?
 
Re: [Pod 2] Katryn Vade (Nahiri, Fuy in Stone) - Editing

I don't think that does anything other than make her allergic to Nhah Scrih, right?
Yeah, pretty much just a flavor thing. It does perhaps create a Lizard King question, but that can be clarified by saying she does not start with the marker.
 
Re: [Pod 2] Katryn Vade (Nahiri, Fuy in Stone) - Editing

I don't think that does anything other than make her allergic to Nhah Scrih, right?
Yeah, pretty much just a flavor thing. It does perhaps create a Lizard King question, but that can be clarified by saying she does not start with the marker.

Hmmm, the one thing is that I don't want the flavor to suggest that she literally transforms into a dragon; the idea is that the Sword allows her to summon the aspect of Zelrig which protects her from anything that would have no effect on a dragon.
 
Re: [Pod 2] Katryn Vade (Nahiri, Fuy in Stone) - Editing

I don't think that does anything other than make her allergic to Nhah Scrih, right?
Yeah, pretty much just a flavor thing. It does perhaps create a Lizard King question, but that can be clarified by saying she does not start with the marker.

Hmmm, the one thing is that I don't want the flavor to suggest that she literally transforms into a dragon; the idea is that the Sword allows her to summon the aspect of Zelrig which protects her from anything that would have no effect on a dragon.
Definitely not the flavor I was getting from the power.
 
Re: [Pod 2] Katryn Vade (Nahiri, Fuy in Stone) - Editing

I actually really like the flavor of her becoming weak to the Nhah Scirh while channeling Zelrig's power. Since the figure doesn't physically become double-spaced or anything, I think that it still leaves room for thematic interpretations either way, but carrying some of the same weaknesses as Zelrig is pretty neat.
 
Re: [Pod 2] Katryn Vade (Nahiri, Fuy in Stone) - Editing

If she's getting the pros, it feels appropriate to give her the cons as well. :shrug:
 
Re: [Pod 2] Katryn Vade (Nahiri, Fuy in Stone) - Editing

It does add a little more flavor to the power than just a size change. I wouldn't hate it either way, though.
 
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