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OHS Special Event - Bring the VCheese #4 - CONGRATS FOUDZING

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Round 3 is on Thermal Shock.

The zackando (1-1) v. thrasherdarkrai (0-1) armies are:
Cathar Lee Griffin
* Heracles, Marcu Esenwein, Raelin the Kyrie Warrior [RotV], Cathar Spearmenx4
Crushed Underfoot
* Eltahale, Raelin the Kyrie Warrior [RotV], 10th Regiment of Footx5

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thrasherdarkrai chooses who places first.



Round 4 is on Fire Isles.

The megasilver (2-0) (4) v. dok (1-0) armies are:

* Marro Warriors, Me-Burq-Sa, Nerak the Glacian Swog Rider, Pel the Hill Giant, Raelin the Kyrie Warrior [RotV], Death Chasers of Theskx5
Party like it's 2010
* Isamu, Major Q9, Marro Warriors, Raelin the Kyrie Warrior [RotV], Deathreaversx4, Fen Hydra

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dok chooses who places first.


~Dysole, moving us along
 
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Round 4 is on Fire Isles.


The foudzing (2-0) v. vegietarian18 (1-0) (3) armies are:

* Isamu, Laglor, Raelin the Kyrie Warrior [RotV], Microcorp Troopersx5
Rygarn's Labyrinth
* Asterios, Brute Gruts, Isamu, Major Q9, Marro Warriors, Raelin the Kyrie Warrior [RotV], Rygarn

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vegietarian18 chooses who places first.

The vegie dad (1-1) v. grey waves (1-1) armies are:
Whirlwind assault
* Kuthnak, Marcu Esenwein, Me-Burq-Sa, Nerak the Glacian Swog Rider, Raelin the Kyrie Warrior [RotV], Death Chasers of Theskx6

* Grimnak, Kuthnak, Nerak the Glacian Swog Rider, Raelin the Kyrie Warrior [RotV], Heavy Grutsx4

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grey waves chooses who places first.

~Dysole, launching these as one of our players has not responded and we have dropped them from the event
 
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Foudzing and I should be playing in around 10 minutes.
 
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Zackando and I will be playing in 45 minutes or so.

EDIT: Game's been pushed back to 5:00 PM today, for anyone interested in watching!
 
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The foudzing (2-0) v. vegietarian18 (1-0) (3) armies are:

* Isamu, Laglor, Raelin the Kyrie Warrior [RotV], Microcorp Troopersx5
* Asterios, Brute Gruts, Isamu, Major Q9, Marro Warriors, Raelin the Kyrie Warrior [RotV], Rygarn

I defeated Foudzing's Microcorp this afternoon and advanced to the single elimination rounds.

This was a tough matchup for Brute Gruts. To try to get something out of them I hid my entire army behind the Fire Isles ruin and loaded my entire first round on the Orcs who rushed far across the board and killed four Troopers before their death. In round 2, I switched to Marro Warriors. Both the Marros and the Microcorp were hot on 2v5s, so I quickly killed three Troopers and Foudzing quickly killed three Marros. I retreated the last Marro behind the wall and started the cloning process.

Foudzing used the empty board to charge Micros forward out of his Raelin's aura and blast my Raelin. He took my Raelin out in four attacks of 3v3. Asterios was my next OM, and he was able to kill a few Troopers in response, but my army was much softer to Micocorp pings without the kyrie. Asterios and the Troopers danced around as Asterios attempted to evade the Heavy Weapons 4v3s that bypassed Legendary Creature while soaking tons of long range 3v6s. Foudzing used my slow dance to safely advance his Raelin and Laglor. Eventually Asterios charged into the horde and took out four or five more troopers before he went down. Q9 came out as Asterios was dying and unloaded a Queglix into Foudzing's Raelin for two wounds.

It was Q9 vs. 3-life Raelin, 7 Troopers, and Laglor. I had Rygarn and 2 Marro Warriors and Isamu in the startzone, but needed some serious work out of Q9 to make this more managable for them. Foudzing won a huge init to get a height volley on Q9. The very first shot on Q9 was three skulls met with a whiff, but 1-life Deathwalker Q9 never failed to block again. Q9 stepped on to level 4 lava, and blasted his way through one Trooper per turn and then Raelin. The first round, Foudzing declined to surround him on lava to retreat his own remaining Troopers. His attacks failed and Q9 stepped off to safety. The second round, Q9 won initiative, climbed back to height, and blew through even more Troopers before dodging the lava wound at the end of the round. Q9 then won the duel with Laglor and Foudzing conceded.

Fun game. Some big mistakes on both our parts like me forgetting the Kelda glyph, but also some really good plays.
 
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I lost against Zackando and am now eliminated. I made some strategic errors - most notably not focusing Heracles down to get the Cathar off the Move +2 glyph - and made a tactical error mid-game in moving a 10th up some to take a greedy shot onto Raelin rather than just Wait-Then-Firing, and it cost me. Good game, Zackando, and good luck in the rest of the tournament!
 
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My old-school rats & Q9 build beat Megasilver's deathchaser build to punch the event's third ticket to the quarterfinals. I managed to hold Yngvild which allowed me to tie things down nicely, and I was able to snuff out MBS and grind through most other threats.

At this point 8 players have been eliminated, 3 have made quarters, and 13 players are still fighting for the last 5 spots in the single elimination rounds. So far Quahon seems to be the queen of the meta, but time will tell if one of those plucky common armies or Q9 builds can upend that.
 
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Captain Stupendous said:
@Dysole Should @Zackando and I be matched up?
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I show the matchup as being launched. Not sure how I missed posting it.

Round 4 is on Fire Isles.


The captain stupendous (1-1) v. zackando (1-1) armies are:
Can't See the Forest for the Cheese
* Manauvi, Marro Warriors, Varkaanan Swiftfangs, Wildwood Monarch, Wildwood Runnerx3, Wildwood Sentinel
Cathar Lee Griffin
* Heracles, Marcu Esenwein, Raelin the Kyrie Warrior [RotV], Cathar Spearmenx4

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captain stupendous chooses who places first.

~Dysole, informationally
 
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The boromir96 (1-1) v. cleon (0-1) (8) armies are:

* Heracles, Marcu Esenwein, Raelin the Kyrie Warrior [RotV], 10th Regiment of Footx4

* Darrak Ambershard, Zelrig, Axegrinders of Burning Forgex5

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cleon chooses who places first.
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Cleon and I should be starting shortly

I defeated Cleon to move on in the Loser's bracket. It was a good game with some early Zelrig/Heracles posturing. I sent Heracles after Zelrig on my OM3 of round 2, and won a critical init the next round to get 4 wounds on big Z. Heracles held out for a few turns after while my 10th snagged LI and kept taking potshots at Axegrinders. Zelrig hit Raelin for 2 wounds before falling, and 10th and Dwarves traded a bit fighting over LI outside my Raelin's aura. With only 6 Dwarves and a wounded Darrak left against my ~9 10th and Raelin/Marcu Cleon got a big 3 10th kill turn, and an init switch to almost kill my Raelin and get me down to 6 10th. On the next turn though my attack dice came back with a vengeance clearing 4 Axegrinders and sealing the win. GG!
 
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Just finished with Earthling, He pulled out the win, the mistake I made was being too confident that a 50/50 would go my way. After I dealt 3 wounds to Hydra with a 7v6 with Quahon, I should have surrounded Hyrda with more Spiders but I opted to engage with 1 in case he had an OM on Cathar. Hydra took the LEA, grabbed kelda and that was the game. GG Earthling! You played well and I'm pleased to be able to pinpoint exactly where I went wrong.
 
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Round 4 is on Fire Isles.

The boromir96 (2-1) v. ryguy266 (1-1) (6) armies are:

* Heracles, Marcu Esenwein, Raelin the Kyrie Warrior [RotV], 10th Regiment of Footx4
The Great Kate Weather Machine and the Stormriders
* Kate Crawford, Marro Warriors, Quahon, Raelin the Kyrie Warrior [RotV], Fyorlag Spidersx6 (drop 1)

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ryguy266 chooses who places first.


Round 5 is on Remains of Clionesia.

The dysole (2-1) (1) v. knightoflight (1-1) armies are:
Micromachines
* Eltahale, Raelin the Kyrie Warrior [RotV], Zetacron, Deathreaversx2, Microcorp Troopersx3
Across the Spider-Verse
* Marcu Esenwein, Marro Warriors, Quahon, Raelin the Kyrie Warrior [RotV], Zetacron, Fyorlag Spidersx5

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knightoflight chooses who places first.

~Dysole, all done with Round 4 announcements
 
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Round 4 is on Fire Isles.

The boromir96 (2-1) v. ryguy266 (1-1) (6) armies are:

* Heracles, Marcu Esenwein, Raelin the Kyrie Warrior [RotV], 10th Regiment of Footx4
The Great Kate Weather Machine and the Stormriders
* Kate Crawford, Marro Warriors, Quahon, Raelin the Kyrie Warrior [RotV], Fyorlag Spidersx6 (drop 1)

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ryguy266 chooses who places first.
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Starting now

Edit: It was a very short and very swingy game. R1 I moved up 10th a little and took potshots at Spiders, I was also able to grab Yyngvild on my OM2. Ryguy started massing spiders on the lvl2 plateau. My OM3 I developed Heracles onto the lvl 4 hex just within Raelin's Aura. The next round I went all 3 OMs with 10th to try to force Quahon to push forward, and She jumped at the chance to put the hurt on the sleeping Heracles. her first attack was 5/6 skulls, but met with 3/7 shields. With Kelda within Quahon's movement I ignored the dragon and just focused on killing spiders, and was able to kill 5 on the next two turns. Unfortunately for me the Spiders hit an Entangling Web to knock off my OM3 on 10th. Quahon did 2 more wounds to Heracles, and lava did another bringing him up to 5. Huge initiative here, if I win I can hit Quahon once and then burn Kelda with Heracles. Rygy won the initiative, but couldn't touch Heracles. He was able to completely screen off Kelda though with the spiders. Heracles left without much of a choice went for a big swing into Quahon, 6/7 skulls into 1/3 Shields, and then on his Labors turn 3/7 skulls into 1/3 Shields finished off the Queen and Ryguy called it there. GG!
 
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Game with boromir went very slow, then suddenly very fast. Slow-rolled with spiders but put Quahon out of position to get some chomps on a sleeping Heracles in Raelin's aura. Had him down to 5/8 and won the next init. I needed to block off Kelda, so I opted for the bite and the spider attacks, which all missed along with entangling web. Heracles' 9/14 on his double turn attacks went into my 2/6 defense to perfectly take down a full health Quahon, at which point I conceded on turn 2 of round 3. Second game where Quahon has gone down in a single turn, and also my second loss. Hard to play into variance like that, especially with that matchup, that map, and those glyphs. Happy to have made it a game at all.
 
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P.s. I intend to livestream (as best I can based on schedule) the Round 6 Quarterfinals so pleas, once the matchups are announced, post your Gametime and date here so I can prep.
 
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Round 5 is on Remains of Clionesia.

The boromir96 (3-1) v. megasilver (2-1) (4) armies are:

* Heracles, Marcu Esenwein, Raelin the Kyrie Warrior [RotV], 10th Regiment of Footx4

* Marro Warriors, Me-Burq-Sa, Nerak the Glacian Swog Rider, Pel the Hill Giant, Raelin the Kyrie Warrior [RotV], Death Chasers of Theskx5

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megasilver chooses who places first.

~Dysole, moving forward
 
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ryguy266 said:
Heracles' 9/14 on his double turn attacks went into my 2/6 defense to perfectly take down a full health Quahon, at which point I conceded on turn 2 of round 3. Second game where Quahon has gone down in a single turn, and also my second loss. Hard to play into variance like that,
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So I got curious and the odds of Heracles dropping all quahon lives in one go with double 7v3 were 24.93%
Also odds of him doing exactly 6 wounds were 16.48%
So that's 24.93+16.48*0.5 = 33.17% odds where Quahon straight up dies without being able to land on Kelda in this situation.
It's a 14+ on the D20 odds.
Basically it's not that high variance when numbers of attack dice are so big and numbers of defense dice so low (14 vs 6).

Quahon getting dropped in 3x 5v5 was another story tho.
You defnitely had one of the best builds in the format, but you lost two times to builds that were definitely designed with the Quahon build in mind.
 
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Foudzing said:
ryguy266 said:
Heracles' 9/14 on his double turn attacks went into my 2/6 defense to perfectly take down a full health Quahon, at which point I conceded on turn 2 of round 3. Second game where Quahon has gone down in a single turn, and also my second loss. Hard to play into variance like that,
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So I got curious and the odds of Heracles dropping all quahon lives in one go with double 7v3 were 24.93%
Also odds of him doing exactly 6 wounds were 16.48%
So that's 24.93+16.48*0.5 = 33.17% odds where Quahon straight up dies without being able to land on Kelda in this situation.
It's a 14+ on the D20 odds.
Basically it's not that high variance when numbers of attack dice are so big and numbers of defense dice so low (14 vs 6).

Quahon getting dropped in 3x 5v5 was another story tho.
You defnitely had one of the best builds in the format, but you lost two times to builds that were definitely designed with the Quahon build in mind.
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Well, 6 wounds then is still only a 50% chance to take an LEA, so the chance that she "straight up dies" is still lower than 33%. Boromir got the 1 in 4 where Heracles does the damage, and I don't fault my play for that considering how one-sided the matchup was on that particular map.
 
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ryguy266 said:
Foudzing said:
ryguy266 said:
Heracles' 9/14 on his double turn attacks went into my 2/6 defense to perfectly take down a full health Quahon, at which point I conceded on turn 2 of round 3. Second game where Quahon has gone down in a single turn, and also my second loss. Hard to play into variance like that,
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So I got curious and the odds of Heracles dropping all quahon lives in one go with double 7v3 were 24.93%
Also odds of him doing exactly 6 wounds were 16.48%
So that's 24.93+16.48*0.5 = 33.17% odds where Quahon straight up dies without being able to land on Kelda in this situation.
It's a 14+ on the D20 odds.
Basically it's not that high variance when numbers of attack dice are so big and numbers of defense dice so low (14 vs 6).

Quahon getting dropped in 3x 5v5 was another story tho.
You defnitely had one of the best builds in the format, but you lost two times to builds that were definitely designed with the Quahon build in mind.
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Well, 6 wounds then is still only a 50% chance to take an LEA, so the chance that she "straight up dies" is still lower than 33%. Boromir got the 1 in 4 where Heracles does the damage, and I don't fault my play for that considering how one-sided the matchup was on that particular map.
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I did take the 50% LEA into account in my calculus:
24.93+16.48*0.5 = 33.17

Well as I said Boromir's army was definitely an army that was made with beating the Quahon build in mind, so of course it was not an easy machup, a machup where a single mistake can be huge and where you'll have to be very cautious, but I still think the machup was much more balanced than what you claim it to be.
Also I don't get why you say the map is especially hard for you, with Kelda being more beneficial and easier to use for your army than for Boromir's one in my opinion.

Also you could have easily prevented Boromir to get the ~33% chance to straight up win the game, or at least greatly reduce these odds. I won't say you played bad but I feel like you kinda played into Boromir's wincon when you weren't forced too. Like you could have played the game like normal without noticing Kelda, and burning Kelda when needed much later in the game, rather than engaging and trying to burn Kelda as fast as possible. You were varianced, for sure, but not to a huge amount.
 
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