Mandarin

[Skinderella]

Yea

 

[Soundwarp SG-1]

Any reasoning on the current order of abilities? I'd reorder things slightly to have all the movement things and the damage things together. Not a huge deal but it makes it slightly more logical to me.

They're in the same order as his Who's Who entry.

I had the place power worded that way before, but it was unclear if that worked for placing himself. Fine with going with that way if peeps think its clear enough though.

Anyway, tests:

PLAYTEST UNIT: The Mandarin

Set 1

Map: Island Plane Crash

Units: Vampire Orange: Mandarin (330), Ms. Marvel (350), Vampirella(320) = 1000 VS TMNT (1000)

Spoiler Alert!

Ms. Marvel is the only like vaguely efficient bonding I could find and Vampi happened to fit the point cost and gives a smidgen of protection to two fairly squishy expensive peeps.

Was a decent army enough army, but nothing hardcore imo. Mandy spent a good chunk of his time buffing the ladies defense or yeeting people around instead of rolling damage dice at first. But once some turtles were in kill shot range he did more lightning and fire and etc. zapping.

The second game his team just got jumped too fast and too hard thanks to some bad luck and they couldn't really recover. But he still got some early game use moving Ms Marvel up and such.

Results:

Game 1: Vampi with 4 life.

Game 2: Donnie with 3 life, Mikey 2.

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Set 2

Map: Sewer Labyrinth

Units: The Rings and the Ravager: Mandarin (330), Ms. Marvel (350), Ravager(210), Oracle(110) = 1000 VS Foot Clan (1000)

Spoiler Alert!

Oracle and Ravager are just kinda classic Ms. Marvel fodder, so here we are.

Trying him going into an army he counters a bit here, as he can shutdown Bebop bonding to Rocksteady, just to get a feel if its too frustrating. I wouldn't say it was too bad given this particular tagteam is like the best possible pull for him and he's not doing it without cost on your part. Might be worth doing “til you next turn or the end of the round” or something though so they could at least break through on the right initiative (though the black light would need trimming somewhere else for that).

The Foot team did manage the win in the second game, thanks to playing more cagey and getting some good dice luck on some shoddy gun shots.

Results:

Game 1: Oracle at full, Ravager at 2.

Game 2: Full health Shredder and 1 Foot.

THOUGHTS:

I enjoy the toolbox power he brings. Can potentially be a bit nasty into the right army but like... that happens sometimes. The two wounds guaranteed option might make some peeps a bit salty? IDK, I didn't find it that annoying, but it is something you have to keep an eye on.

Points feel close to me, but like thematically he could go up or down like 30 points so there's room depending on what other peeps think.

 

[Lord Pyre]

Looking good! Pre-yea for public testing

 

[japes]

pre-YEA

Knowing points total isn't important for any plans you have is helpful.

 

[Yodaking]

yea

 

[Soundwarp SG-1]

I'm going to call to for the vote of Public Playtesting

 

[Tornado]

Yea

 

[MrNobody]

Yea

 

[Soundwarp SG-1]

this passes

 

[Arkham]

Mandarin(330), Iron Man(270), Quicksilver(250), Moon Knight(150) (1000)

vs.

JLA Trinity (1000)

Spoiler Alert!

Attack Damage:

TEN RINGS OF THE MANDARIN:

-1 Heat wound on Superman.

-2 wounds on Superman. (Once Per Game)

-Subtracts 2 from Superman's Defense.

-2 Heat wounds on Superman.

-1 Cold wound on Superman.

-Subtracts 2 from WW's Defense.

-2 Heat wounds on WW, kills her.

-Subtracts 2 from Batman's Defense.

-Places Batman within 3 spaces.

-Subtracts 2 from Batman's Defense.

Notes:

R1: JL win init.

-MK puts 1 wound on WW with CD.

-Superman takes 1 Heat wound for WW instead of her potentially taking 2.

-Batman puts 1 wound on Mandarin with d20 wound, then 1 additional wound with his SA. (removed marker)

-Batman puts 1 wound on MK with SA.

R2: JL win init. (Batman removes 2 markers)

-Superman(+1) puts 2 wounds on Quicksilver.

-WW(+1) puts 1 wound on Mandarin.

-Batman puts 1 wound on Quicksilver with d20 wound, then 1 additional wound with his SA.

-Quicksilver kills Superman with MD.

-MK puts 1 wound on WW with CD.

-Iron Man puts 2 wounds on WW(+1, botch).

R3: JL wins init.

-WW(+1) would kill Mandarin, but Quicksilver sacrifices his life for him instead.

-Batman(+1) puts 2 wounds on Iron Man.

-Iron Man puts 2 wounds on Batman(+1).

R4: Avengers win init.

-Iron Man(+1) kills Batman(-3).

Results:

Mandarin with 3/5 wounds. (2 Life)

Iron Man with 2/4 wounds. (2 Life)

Moon Knight with 1/5 wounds. (4 Life)

Mandarin was quite nasty here with wounding and Defense subtraction setting up for Iron Man attacks. Cut through JLA's stat based play, especially Superman's trickier Defense. Overall though, it could have gone either way still. It was a game of how fast can the JLA get rid of Quicksilver to take down Mandarin and Iron Man, and Superman's attacks weren't hitting quite as hard as they could have. Had he hit average or better on Quicksilver in the handful of attempts he made, the game could have gone the other way.

Mandarin(330), Iron Man(270), Quicksilver(250), Moon Knight(150) (1000)

vs.

Fantastic Four (1000)

Spoiler Alert!

Attack Damage:

TEN RINGS OF THE MANDARIN:

-Places himself within 3 spaces.

-Places Mr. Fantastic within 3 spaces.

-Subtracts 2 from Mr. Fantastic's Defense.

-Places Mr. Fantastic within 3 spaces.

-Subtracts 2 from Mr. Fantastic's Defense.

-2 wounds on Thing. (Once per game)

Notes:

R1: Avengers win init.

-Mr. F puts 1 wound on Mandarin(+1).

R2: Avengers win init.

-Iron Man(+1) puts 4 wounds on Mr. Fantastic(-3, botch).

-Human Torch takes 2 wounds from swipes, puts 2 wounds on Iron Man and Mandarin with Fo4, then uses Supernova to put 1 wound on Iron Man and would kill Mandarin, but Quicksilver saves for 1 wound instead.

-Thing(+2) puts 3 wounds on Quicksilver.

-Mr. Fantastic puts 1 wound on Mandarin(+1, botch).

-Human Torch would kill Mandarin, but Quicksilver sacrifices his life instead.

-Thing(+4) kills Mandarin(+1) and Iron Man(+1) with Clobberin' Time.

R3: Avengers win init.

-MK puts 1 wound on Thing with CD.

-Thing(+4) kills Moon Knight(botch).

Results:

Mr. Fantastic with 4/5 wounds. (1 Life)

Thing with 3/6 wounds. (3 Life)

Human Torch with 2/5 wounds. (3 Life) (Supernova used)

Invisible Woman unwounded.

This game felt pretty close, even with the few figures remaining on the F4 side. The Avengers couldn't topple the Fan 4, but felt like they were dominating them at first thanks to Mandarin tossing Fantastic away from IW, then subtracting his Defense to setup for Iron Man's double attacks from height with an additional -1 Defense. However, IM rolled poorly on the first turn they tried this, then brought him to 4 wounds the following attempt, which only setup Thing to Clobber. Human Torch's all out activation also did some big damage to even the odds. Then Mandarin failed his attempts at auto-wounding this game. So all in all, anyone could have taken this.

Thoughts: He can be quite nasty. And coincidentally enough, works really well in tandem with Iron Man for a turn bond per round, and Quicksilver to give him the extra life insurance to let him do his auto-wounding and battlefield manipulation setup with Iron Man. He's a lot of fun with so many options to work from, and very simple in execution. 330 felt reasonable in both these games, in a best case scenario setup. I could see him maybe raising a little, but it's hard to say, because without the life insurance of Quicksilver, I'd imagine he's going to be a bit quicker to deal with, thus less auto-wounding potential, so he could very well be fine as-is. I don't know that I'd lower him any, just because the free 2 wounds on bigger point figures with average life + potential additional wound attempts that turn, or setting up bonding, is pretty universally great.

 

[Soundwarp SG-1]

Thanks for the tests

 

[IAmBatman]

C3G STANDARD PLAYTEST FEEDBACK FORM
NAME OF THE PLAYTEST UNIT: MANDARIN ‘WIT THE RINGS
VERSION TESTED

Spoiler Alert!

NAME = MANDARIN
IDENTITY =

UNIQUENESS = UNIQUE HERO
SPECIES = HUMAN
CLASS = MASTERMIND
PERSONALITY = CUNNING

SIZE/HEIGHT = MEDIUM 5

LIFE = 5

MOVE = 5
RANGE = 1
ATTACK = 5
DEFENSE = 5

POINTS = 330

TEN RINGS OF THE MANDARIN
Instead of a normal move action or attack action, Mandarin may choose himself or a figure within 5 clear spaces and do one of the following:
• Roll 1 Cold damage die against that figure, if that figure takes a wound, it cannot move for the rest of the turn.
• Take control of that figure for this turn.
• Roll 1 Electric damage die against that figure, then roll 1 Electric damage die against a figure within 3 spaces of that figure.
• Roll 1 Heat damage die against that figure, if that figure takes a wound, roll 1 additional Heat damage die against it.
• Roll 1 Light damage die against that figure, if that figure takes a wound and does not have the Blind keyword, they cannot have clear sight on any other figures until your next turn.
• No figures can have clear sight on that figure until your next turn.
• Once per game: Inflict 2 wounds on the chosen figure.
• Choose a space up to 3 spaces away from Mandarin then place the chosen figure on that space.
• Knockback the chosen figure 3 spaces if it is not Mandarin.
• Add or Subtract 2 from the chosen figure’s defense until your next turn.
He cannot use the same option more than once during his activation.

FACTION =
PUBLISHER = MARVEL
KEYWORDS =
SYMBOLS = SUPER STRENGTH

Team Test
Map: CELL GAMES ARENA
Units: Mandarin (330), Iron Man (270), Quicksilver (250), Red Arrow (150) (1000) vs Fantastic Four (1000)
Unit Summary: Winning almost every initiative really aided the Avengers here. The Fantastic Four hate figure movement and auto wounds and Mandarin had plenty of both. I think I may have accidentally used the electric damage more than once on a couple of turns, but I don’t think that swung anything significantly here.
Game Summary

Spoiler Alert!

Initiative Avengers. Red Arrow and Quicksilver advance. Mister Fantastic advances. Mandarin advances then blocks sight on himself. Invisible Woman advances. Iron Man advances. Mandarin places himself in the center of the map then gives himself +2 Defense. Thing, Human Torch, and Mister Fantastic advance.
Initiative Avengers. Iron Man advances. Red Arrow and Iron Man attack Human Torch a total of 3 times from height with Iron Man’s defensive reduction in play. Human Torch only takes 1 wound. Mandarin advances, then hits Thing with an Electric wound but can’t hit Invisible Woman. Torch takes a swipe, Flames On Mandarin and Iron Man, then fails an attack on Iron Man from height disadvantage. Mister Fantastic Rubber Wraps Iron Man and hits him for 1 wound. Mandarin places Mister Fantastic out of Invisible Woman’s aura and on height disadvantage next to Mandarin. Red Arrow can’t hit Mister Fantastic, but Mandarin punches down on him for 2 wounds. Invisible Woman can’t hit Iron Man, Human Torch takes a swipe and fails a Flame On 4 and an attack on Mandarin, Thing would punch out Iron Man but Quicksilver saves him and takes a wound, then Mandarin blocks Mister Fantastic’s attack. Mandarin hits Mister Fantastic for an electrical wound, fails an attempt on Thing, has Red Arrow Speed Shot Human Torch (fail), and then uses his once per game 2 wounds to finish Mister Fantastic. Mister Fantastic had OM3.
Initiative Avengers. Mandarin cancels clear sight on Human Torch to nullify Invisible Woman’s aura and Thing’s boost, then punches Human Torch for 1 wound. Red Arrow can’t hit Thing. Iron Man finishes Human Torch but is scared to attack Thing. Human Torch had OM1. Mandarin hits Thing and Invisible Woman each for an electrical wound. Red Arrow hits Thing for a wound. Mandarin hits Thing for a light wound and blinds him. Thing punches Quicksilver for 1 wound. Mandarin only hits 1 of 4 electrical damage die attempts, this time against Invisible Woman (Speed Shot can’t hit Thing). Thing takes a swipe but gets height and punches out Quicksilver.
Initiative Fantastic Four. Thing finishes Mandarin. Mandarin had OM1. Invisible Woman can’t hit Iron Man. Red Arrow can’t finish Thing, but Iron Man does. Thing had OM3.. Red Arrow advances.
Initiative Avengers. Iron Man and Red Arrow tag team Invisible Woman and finish her off.

• Damage Done (Normal Attack): Inflicted [3] wounds on [Mister Fantastic [2], Human Torch [1]]
• TEN RINGS: Rolled [0] times for [0] Cold Damage, [6] times for [8] Electrical Damage on [Thing [2], Mister Fantastic [1], Invisible Woman [2]], [0] times for Heat damage, [1] times for [1] Light damage on [Thing [1]/the no clear sight was [a good way to shut off Clobberin’ Time], took control of [no one], cancelled clear sight on a figure [2] times, inflicted 2 wounds on [Mister Fantastic [2]], placed [2] figures up to 3 spaces away/it was [nice for temporary flying or getting around Invisible Woman’s aura], knocked back [0] figures and did [0] knockback damage, added 2 defense to figures [1] times and subtracted 2 defense from figures [0] times.

Who won? List figures remaining in the winning army (include life remaining for heroes): Iron Man with 1/4 Life and Red Arrow with Full Life win.

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Team Test
Map: CITY PARK
Units: Mandarin (330), Star-Lord (250), Martinex (200), Invisible Woman (215), Fighting Chance (5) (1000) vs Iron Man (270), Captain America (240S), War Machine (260), Black Widow (230) (1000)
Unit Summary: Mandarin’s damage die rolls were hot (5/6) but so were War Machine’s flyovers. Mandarin’s offense was nice but the defensive boosts didn’t slow down the Avengers enough and once Mandarin fell, offense was a struggle for the Guardians.
Game Summary

Spoiler Alert!

Initiative Avengers. Cap advances. Mandarin moves forward, then throws Invisible Woman near him. Martinex follows. War Machine advances off of Iron Man, then Iron Man and Black Widow advance. Mandarin places Star-Lord forward and boosts his defense by 2. Martinex advances and hits a whiffing Iron Man for 1 wound from height. Cap strides forward and punches Martinex for 2 wounds despite Martinex’s +3 defense. War Machine can’t follow up in an attack on Martinex. Mandarin strolls forward and tosses Iron Man into engagement with Martinex and himself on height disadvantage. Martinex fails an attack on Iron Man.
Initiative Guardians. Mandarin subtracts 2 from Iron Man’s defense, then punches down on him for 2 wounds. Martinex finishes Iron Man. Black Widow saves Iron Man’s Order Markers to War Machine. Cap and Black Widow both fail to hit the heavily fortified Martinex. Mandarin blinds Cap with damaging light and then freezes Widow in place. War Mahine flies over Martinex for 1 wound, then blasts Mandarin from height for 2 wounds despite Mandarin’s +3 Defense and fighting chance. Widow can’t move to use her Baton and can’t hit Mandarin from range. Mandarin heats Cap up for 2 wounds, then finishes him with the once per game 2 wounds. War Machine flies over Martinex for 1 wound but misses Mandarin, then blasts down on Mandarin for 1 wound. Widow double attacks Invisible Woman for 1 wound.
Initiative Guardians. Mandarin fails a heat damage roll on Widow, then freezes her. War Machine’s cloaking makes him a tough target. Martinex punches War Machine for 1 wound. War Machine flies over Mandarin and Martinex, finishing Mandarin, then fails a punch on Invisible Woman from height disadvantage. Mandarin had OM2. War Machine flies over Invisible Woman for 1 wound but can’t hit her. Star-Lord whiffs an attack on Black Widow. War Machine flies over Invisible Woman for 1 wound and then punches her out.
Initiative Guardians. Star-Lord and Martinex both roll poorly on attacks and can’t inflict any wounds. War Machine flies over and finishes Martinex and hits Star-Lord for 1 wound, then he blasts down on Star-Lord for a second wound. Star-Lord punches Widow for 1 wound. War Machine finally misses a flyover but then blasts down on Star-Lord for 3 wounds to end it.

• Damage Done (Normal Attack): Inflicted [2] wounds on [Iron Man [2]]
• TEN RINGS: Rolled [2] times for [2] Cold Damage on [Black Widow [2]], [0] times for Electrical Damage, [3] times for [2] Heat damage on [Captain America [2]], [1] times for [1] Light damage on [Captain America [1]]/the no clear sight was [good for nullifying Cap’s boost], took control of [no one], cancelled clear sight on a figure [0] times, inflicted 2 wounds on [Captain America [2]], placed [3] figures up to 3 spaces away/it was [useful for keeping boosters near him and moving enemies into attack range], knocked back [0] figures, added 2 defense to figures [1] times and subtracted 2 defense from figures [1] times.

Who won? List figures remaining in the winning army (include life remaining for heroes): War Machine with 3/4 Life and Black Widow with 2/5 Life win.

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UNIT SUMMARY: With a huge toolkit, Mandarin has a treat for all occasions, but none of the effects are individually that devastating which, along with his cost, keeps him in check. Feels good to go.

 

[Soundwarp SG-1]

Thanks for the tests

I'm going to go ahead and propose going to Final Editing here

 

[IAmBatman]

Yessir

 

[Arch-vile]

Yea

I had some wording suggestions back on page 2. Unless The Who’s Who list is super iconic, I’d rearrange the order of effects based more on mechanical similarity, personally.

 

[Skinderella]

Yea

 

[Yodaking]

Yea, agree with Arch.

 

[Ericth74]

Yea

 

[Soundwarp SG-1]

So like.. starting from the same spot as the Who's Who (left pinkie) isnt iconic I guess. But like, the rings do specific things tied to specific fingers and that's been pretty darn consistent since like at least the 80s.

Like he doesn't have 10 rings and a random one of them shoots cold blasts. He has a left pinkie ring that shoots cold blasts and 9 other unique rings.

Personally I'd find it a pretty major bummer if they're jumbled around to be close to which ones they're sorta close to by the arbitrary ways they're represented in game.

 

[Arch-vile]

Gotcha, I didn't realize the specific rings tied to specific fingers was a thing. I just assumed it was an arbitrary order based on a panel from the 60s based on your answer. That order works then!

 

[Karat]

Suggested edits. Mostly to maintain consistent verbiage and condense slightly.

TEN RINGS OF THE MANDARIN

Instead of a normal move action or attack action, Mandarin may choose himself or a figure within 5 clear spaces and do one of the following:

• Roll 1 Cold damage die against that figure, if that figureit takes a wound, it cannot move for the rest of the turn.

• Take control of that figure for this turn.

• Roll 1 Electric damage die against that figure, then roll 1 Electric damage die against a figure within 3 spaces of that figure.

• Roll 1 Heat damage die against that figure, if that figureit takes a wound, roll 1 additional Heat damage die against it.

• Roll 1 Light damage die against that figure, if that figureit takes a wound and does not have the Blind keyword, theyit cannot have clear sight on any other figures until your next turn.

• No figures can have clear sight on that figure until your next turn.

• Once per game: Inflict 2 wounds on the chosenthat figure.

• Choose a space up to 3 spaces away from Mandarin thenand place the chosen figure on that space.

• Knockback the chosenthat figure 3 spaces if it is not Mandarin.

• Add or Subtract 2 from the chosenthat figure’s defense until your next turn.

HeMandarin cannot use the same option more than once during his activation.

For pasteability.

TEN RINGS OF THE MANDARIN

Instead of a normal move action or attack action, Mandarin may choose himself or a figure within 5 clear spaces and do one of the following:

• Roll 1 Cold damage die against that figure, if it takes a wound, it cannot move for the rest of the turn.

• Take control of that figure for this turn.

• Roll 1 Electric damage die against that figure, then roll 1 Electric damage die against a figure within 3 spaces of that figure.

• Roll 1 Heat damage die against that figure, if it takes a wound, roll 1 additional Heat damage die against it.

• Roll 1 Light damage die against that figure, if it takes a wound and does not have the Blind keyword, it cannot have clear sight on any other figures until your next turn.

• No figures can have clear sight on that figure until your next turn.

• Once per game: Inflict 2 wounds on that figure.

• Choose a space up to 3 spaces from Mandarin and place the chosen figure on that space.

• Knockback that figure 3 spaces if it is not Mandarin.

• Add or Subtract 2 from that figure’s defense until your next turn.

Mandarin cannot use the same option more than once during his activation.

 

[IAmBatman]

Good edits. A few more just for comma splices:

TEN RINGS OF THE MANDARIN
Instead of a normal move action or attack action, Mandarin may choose himself or a figure within 5 clear spaces and do one of the following:
• Roll 1 Cold damage die against that figure; if it takes a wound, it cannot move for the rest of the turn.
• Take control of that figure for this turn.
• Roll 1 Electric damage die against that figure, then roll 1 Electric damage die against a figure within 3 spaces of that figure.
• Roll 1 Heat damage die against that figure; if it takes a wound, roll 1 additional Heat damage die against it.
• Roll 1 Light damage die against that figure; if it takes a wound and does not have the Blind keyword, it cannot have clear sight on any other figures until your next turn.
• No figures can have clear sight on that figure until your next turn.
• Once per game: Inflict 2 wounds on that figure.
• Choose a space up to 3 spaces from Mandarin and place the chosen figure on that space.
• Knockback that figure 3 spaces if it is not Mandarin.
• Add or Subtract 2 from that figure’s defense until your next turn.
Mandarin cannot use the same option more than once during his activation.

 

[Soundwarp SG-1]

This passes. I'll look at card wording later.

Oh something I totally forgot about, but he should probably have Mental Shield as there's like a thing about the rings making him immune to telepathy?

We cool with just adding that? It would make like 0 difference to any of his tests.

 

[IAmBatman]

 

[Soundwarp SG-1]

Ok, totally forgot about this guy, but I updated the wording based on assorted suggestions.

I propose we move On-Deck @Arkham, @Arch-vile, @IAmBatman, @japes, @Karat, @Skinderella.