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Magic: the Gathering Strategy Board Game

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El T said:
1. It does extremely well, so Wizards decides to re-release Heroscape to make more money, because they're the same game.
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I don't foresee WotC bringing Heroscape back to market at all, especially not due to success of MTG. For WotC, success for the Heroscape knockoff equals success for their existing Magic cards, so they won't mess with what helps their existing product.
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There is a very low chance that Heroscape will be revived. WOTC will just profit off a MTG themed Heroscape knock-off. And then, when it gets to be good, they stop production to "Focus on their core brands."
 
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Heroscape Remade as Magic Board Game

I was doing some online surfing, checking news in all sorts of my hobbies, and I found this gem.

Magic Article:
http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/boardgame

Video Sneak-peak by Boardgamegeek:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHN2NpEOYSg

It looks like this is WOTC decided fate of Heroscape. If you google "Magic the boardgame", you can find more info and pictures on it.

There's reports that the Hasbro Heroscape design team was in on this. There are many obvious similarities with Heroscape in terms of figure design, terrain and game mechanics.

Could this be the start of something new and great, or the final nail in the coffin of Heroscape? What are your opinions on this?
 
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There's a big discussion about the game in the Other Board Games forum. You can read lots of speculation and opinions there, and some new facts too.

I think this thread is going to get locked up and/or merged, though.
 
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I'm glad to see a new version of HeroScape for a new generation, but I'm not sure this is for me. I never got into MTG so the theme doesn't really engage me. I've got plenty of terrain already, and this looks like it's going to be pretty sparse in that department. I could see buying it for the figs, but I've had the option to expand my collection of units through C3V for years now and never really got on board.

I hope it will be a fun new game that will bring as much joy to its players as HeroScape did for me, but I just can't see myself getting infected with the mad collectors fever I had for HS.
 
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I'm a fan of Heroscape. I'm a fan of Magic: The Gathering. However, when I saw the article on Magic's site, I was kinda disturbed. To me, it seems like another nail in the coffin of Heroscape.

I'd love to see this be wildly successful at combining two games I love. Unfortunately, I'm pretty pessimistic about the situation. I just don't see the game picking up enough steam to get people to check out Heroscape, or revive it. I doubt it'll do much for introducing people to the Magic trading card game either.

I'll definitely be on the lookout for people's opinions of this games once it releases. I may even pick up a copy and try it out.

Prove me wrong Heroscapers and Magic players!
 
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@Puffy I don't think it's another nail in the coffin of Heroscape. I think Heroscape as a retail product was buried already. I think this is an opportunity -- albeit short-lived, as I don't think it will get enough support to keep it alive longer than D&D-scape was -- for Heroscapers to grab some more stuff to enhance their collection at normal, non ebay inflated, prices.

We will get figures for which C3V will undoubtable be creating future cards for. It looks like we will get a few more terrain pieces as well as those base boards. Some dice which although aren't the same as HS dice are definitely compatible. And a couple of glyphs. It looks like an opportunity for us even if it doesn't take off for the MtG players. We have a chance to get something that wasn't going to happen any other way.
 
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The sentiment has been expressed by a few among the last few posts, but I see this as more of a Heroscape 2.0 rather than a trial to see if Heroscape is still a viable product. I don't think we will suddenly see a revival of Heroscape if this does well. If this does well, why would WotC compete with itself by offering similar but different products?

Just look at the bright side. There is a new source of properly scaled minis and new terrain. Sure it might be sparse, but it is new terrain. The cards might bring something really special to the game. The mats could be a really nice addition, especially with a little customization. Ultimately, we can take the bits we like, discard the ones we don't like. The game will continue to evolve. The game has "belonged" to the fans for a few years now after all.
 
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Its too bad Craig Van Ness's Non Disclosure Agreement will probably stop him from giving us his thoughts here. Because I'll bet he's thinking: "Merry Christmas, Scapers!"
 
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Just a little thought, which I am sure others have, is this would be a D&D style expansion for Heroscape. There is no reason NOT to bring Scape back. A brand new expansion would bring Scape back and could draw that crowd into MTG. It won't bring MTG fans into Scape as it is way OOP, but could easily merge these two. It could still be seen as two separate items. Scape fans get MORE SCAPE and can now play with the MTG crowd. AND the MTG fans don't need all the classic Scape as they will have their own little collection to go forth with. If they are smart, they will make both games 100% compatible. IF the games are, this would draw a whole crowd of Scapers into the MTG scene and then more sales for WOTC....

But let's face it.....I just want new Scape.
 
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I tend to see this as a completely separate game from both magic and heroscape, and I think they're trying to market it as such. I see similarities, but no more than I see with the pre scape games like heroquest. This is merely the next stage in the process. I want it like I want the strielitz kollossus from at-43. To expand my scape in new ways by " stealing" from it.
 
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So each Planeswalker is a Flagbearer? ;
 
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Guys. . . Heroscape is not coming back. Other minis games that are out right now show the new model for the industry: more minis, less other stuff. We saw the same thing with WotC and 'Scape. The amount of minis stayed pretty good; the amount of terrain went down steeply.

Heroscape 2.0 is fair enough. This will be its own game, and CVN's participation is a clue that it's a game worth keeping an eye on. But Heroscape itself is not coming back.

And, FWIW, I am thankful that WotC carried the torch for a while after Hasbro dropped it.

Also, when it comes to getting more goodies for yourselves. . . If this game is successful (and despite the early chorus of 'meh,' I expect it will be), the cost of all Heroscape terrain will go up. Not down. ;)
 
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Crap....that's a good point. If they keep with HS compatible terrain and such, the price will go through the roof. And for what MTG players pay for silly cards, imagine what they will pay for 3D terrain...lol. *Rubs hands like a miser* ......
 
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This isn't a game for hardcore Magic players. They'll be turned off by the dice. This is targeted to the casual Magic player.
 
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quozl said:
This isn't a game for hardcore Magic players. They'll be turned off by the dice. This is targeted to the casual Magic player.
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In related news Hasbro just announced a brand new, collectable card game named "Heroscape, the Gathering"! It will have blind purchase so you can boost your armies and will be dice-less! Not really too sure who the target market is for that either, but boy oh boy, I could really get behind that! :evil: :)
 
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Ten pages of merged new theads overnight! That says it all.
 
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What would be nice is if the squads (which look to be sold separately in scape-like boosters?) were designed in a way that could be used directly in Heroscape.

(And alternate cards for the 'hero-summoner-whatevers'.)

This would go a long way to encouraging crossover from scapers who don't play Magic.

The point cost(?) in the lower right seems in line with scape, at least for the zombies. The hero looks overpriced, but that's typical in scape, too. :)
 
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fomox said:
What would be nice is if the squads (which look to be sold separately in scape-like boosters?) were designed in a way that could be used directly in Heroscape.

(And alternate cards for the 'hero-summoner-whatevers'.)

This would go a long way to encouraging crossover from scapers who don't play Magic.
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That's what I'm sayin'! They have so much at their fingertips right now. I hope someone in marketing is paying the hell attention. This COULD be a win-win situation for all of us.

Crossovers work all the time in video gaming. They have worked for table top gaming. If they don't capitalize on this, they're insane.
 
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If they don't do a crossover I'm sure the 'Scapers community will. Someone else has already pointed out that most of those powers are pretty similar to 'Scape concepts. If we've learned anything from post-'Scape it's that we don't really *need* game companies to provide us with Heroscape cards.
 
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capsocrates said:
If they don't do a crossover I'm sure the 'Scapers community will. Someone else has already pointed out that most of those powers are pretty similar to 'Scape concepts. If we've learned anything from post-'Scape it's that we don't really *need* game companies to provide us with Heroscape cards.
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Sure, they will be made into various customs if WotC doesn't do it outright.

But, if they actually take some time to do 'official' ones then they would be adopted by scapers at a much higher rate.

I'm not knocking CUC/C3V/SoQRBT etc... I'm just saying that official compatibility will go a long way to encouraging crossover. Everyone uses D&D scape figures. Only subset of heroscapers use any particular custom.

WotC would be wise, in my opinion, to make the cross-compatibility official.
 
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This actually could be really cool. It is an idea that I had been toying around with myself. The most interesting part is the life for the squads. I would assume that a 3 figure squad with 3 life would mean that the figures are only removed from the board once they have received 3 wounds instead of each being removed as they each receive a wound.
 
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Fomox,

No, not everyone uses D&D Scape figures, which several posters here have already alluded to. There is still an active thread on "How D&D Ruined Heroscape."

But I agree that this bowl is half full...and if we can use the company's products for our own ends, its just sweet revenge--even if it makes money for them.
 
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