Green Arrow (Oliver Queen) (Justice League)

[IAmBatman]

GREEN ARROW (OLIVER QUEEN)

Card PDF​

NAME = GREEN ARROW
IDENTITY = OLIVER QUEEN

UNIQUENESS = UNIQUE HERO
SPECIES = HUMAN
CLASS = VIGILANTE
PERSONALITY = CHARMING

SIZE/HEIGHT = MEDIUM 5

LIFE = 4

MOVE = 5
RANGE = 8
ATTACK = 4
DEFENSE = 5

POINTS = 210

ARROWS OF JUSTICE
Allied Vigilantes are added to the Justice League faction. During setup, place 1 Justice Marker on this card for each Justice League unit on your team, up to 4. If there is a Justice Marker on this card, after Green Arrow uses a normal attack action on a non-adjacent figure, you may roll a d20. On a 14+, he may use another normal attack action. Green Arrow may not attack more than 4 times a turn.

ARROW TO THE RESCUE
After an ally's ordered activation, if Green Arrow has not attacked this turn, you may remove a Justice Marker from this card to activate Green Arrow. During this activation, he may only attack enemies adjacent to an ally. After this activation, end your turn.

ACROBATIC MOVEMENT
Green Arrow avoids falling damage. After combat, Green Arrow may maneuver 1 space for each shield he has, ignoring elevation changes up to 6 levels.

FACTION = JUSTICE LEAGUE
PUBLISHER = DC
KEYWORDS = Archer
SYMBOLS = STEALTH

WORLDS COLLIDE: When villainous foes have his friends backed in a corner, the Emerald Archer comes to the rescue!

Resources and Rulings

• The suggested figure for this unit is a Heroclix figure: DC 75th Anniversary set #13 / Green Arrow.
• See this card's wiki page for synergies and strategies!

Credits

• Legacy design: Arch-vile
• Playtesters:
  • Arch-vile
• Card art: Arkham
• Comic creators: Mort Weisinger and George Papp

Updates

• N/A

 

[IAmBatman]

Re: Green Arrow (Oliver Queen) (Justice League) - Design

Figured I'd tentatively start this while the JL Faction discussion resolves. Seems everyone's on board with marker burns working for any figure on your team and it's only the whether or not/how they recruit stuff that's in question.

Since I wasn't planning on having Green Arrow be a recruiter, no reason not to start him up.

Went with Vigilante as the class here based on discussions and gave him the Archer Keyword and Stealth ability as a symbol. I don't think he's a candidate for any Resistances or Weaknesses, but let me know if I'm missing something.

I'll probably want to do a sanity test or two with him due to the Vigilante class switch.

 

[Arch-vile]

Re: Green Arrow (Oliver Queen) (Justice League) - Design

Any reason you used this wording? It sounds off to me, like you get to decide how many Justice Markers you want.

During setup, place up to 4 blue Justice Markers on this card, 1 for each Justice League card on your team.

I think something like this would be clearer:

During setup, place 1 blue Justice Marker on this card for each Justice League card on your team, to a max of 4.

 

[IAmBatman]

Re: Green Arrow (Oliver Queen) (Justice League) - Design

I felt it read better than what I had previously, but I think it was the "up to" that was bugging me. Yours reads better, so I'm happy to make that switch.

 

[Yodaking]

Re: Green Arrow (Oliver Queen) (Justice League) - Design

Yeah, with all the Vigilante synergy from Sidekicks to Alfred's healing, a small price bump of 10 points could be in order.

 

[japes]

Re: Green Arrow (Oliver Queen) (Justice League) - Design

I don't see why Vigilante would make him suddenly better. He's not giving them anything that he's not giving his other armies and he'd only have 1 marker. He shouldn't have to carry any weight of a Sidekick bonding.

 

[MrNobody]

Re: Green Arrow (Oliver Queen) (Justice League) - Design

He’s gaining a bunch of synergies and basically losing none, it wouldn’t be too surprising if he’s worth a little more.

 

[IAmBatman]

Re: Green Arrow (Oliver Queen) (Justice League) - Design

He’s gaining a bunch of synergies and basically losing none, it wouldn’t be too surprising if he’s worth a little more.

He technically is losing the ability to generate markers outside of the JL faction directly.

 

[Arkham]

Re: Green Arrow (Oliver Queen) (Justice League) - Design

No idea if his points should change. Not up on what all Vigilante offers.

But on the subject. I'm greatly concerned at the idea of points moving around for these designs, potentially really messing up a lot of army build options. So if things change in one location, be very mindful of rectifying that on other designs to maintain playability together.

 

[IAmBatman]

Re: Green Arrow (Oliver Queen) (Justice League) - Design

We will for sure. Personally I don't think his points should be different, but I'll do sanity testing for it to see.

 

[Splash]

Re: Green Arrow (Oliver Queen) (Justice League) - Design

Thinking more about it, I could also see at least one of the Green Arrows as a Crime Fighter, as he is more light hearted than the usual DC Vigilante.

 

[japes]

Re: Green Arrow (Oliver Queen) (Justice League) - Design

We will for sure. Personally I don't think his points should be different, but I'll do sanity testing for it to see.

Agree. Also the GA, Flash, BC, Green Lantern army is both fun and thematic. So it not working anymore would suck considering that was the reason GL was pushed to get to his point total...


just going to point out that I will be arguing every time I see it come up that a figure doing nothing for a faction should not be getting points bump because some other figure is better...the figure doing the boosting should bear the cost not a figure that won't always be in that faction.

 

[IAmBatman]

Re: Green Arrow (Oliver Queen) (Justice League) - Design

There's some dispute over whether or not Green Arrow should recruit for markers or not that I'm not feeling ready to take on, so I'm going to put this one on hold and leave it up for grabs and start up Black Canary. My hope is for Archie to take this over.

 

[japes]

Re: Green Arrow (Oliver Queen) (Justice League) - Design

NAME = GREEN ARROW
IDENTITY = OLIVER QUEEN

UNIQUENESS = UNIQUE HERO
SPECIES = HUMAN
CLASS = VIGILANTE
PERSONALITY = CHARMING

SIZE/HEIGHT = MEDIUM 5

LIFE = 4

MOVE = 5
RANGE = 8
ATTACK = 4
DEFENSE = 5

POINTS = 210

ARROWS OF JUSTICE
Allied Vigilantes are added to the Justice League faction. During setup, place 1 blue Justice Marker on this card for each Justice League card on your team, to a max of 4. If there is a Justice Marker on this card, after Green Arrow makes a normal attack on a non-adjacent figure, you may roll the d20. On a result of 14+, he may attack again. Green Arrow may not attack more than four times a turn.

ARROW TO THE RESCUE
After an ally's ordered activation, if Green Arrow has not attacked this turn, you may remove a Justice Marker from this card to activate Green Arrow. During this activation, he may only attack enemies adjacent to an ally. After this activation, end your turn.

ACROBATIC MOVEMENT
Green Arrow ignores falling damage. After attacking normally or defending, you may immediately maneuver Green Arrow one space up to 6 levels up or down for each shield rolled.

FACTION = JUSTICE LEAGUE
PUBLISHER = DC
KEYWORDS = ARCHER
SYMBOLS = STEALTH

I feel like the discussion has run it's full course and it seems we are all ok with this.
@Arch-vile has plans to run a sanity test this weekend on the Vigilante front.

Hoping this can be moved along soon.

 

[IAmBatman]

Re: Green Arrow (Oliver Queen) (Justice League) - Design (ho

Sweet. Happy to get Archie at least semi-on board with 2.0 LDing. Must get him the rest of the way!

 

[Splash]

Re: Green Arrow (Oliver Queen) (Justice League) - Design (ho

Cool, I think I saw this mentioned somewheres amidst the discord, but this'll be a good good way to pull in other Batmans.

 

[Arch-vile]

Re: Green Arrow (Oliver Queen) (Justice League) - Design (ho

I just don't have a slot now, once Jeice wraps I plan on starting some conversions. Happy to see whoever move this forward, though!

 

[IAmBatman]

Re: Green Arrow (Oliver Queen) (Justice League) - Design (ho

Well, I technically started it, so once the sanity testing is done, I can nudge it forward the rest of the way. Assuming you're happy with what japes has there.

 

[Arch-vile]

Re: Green Arrow (Oliver Queen) (Justice League) - Design (ho

Yep I think the above is solid

 

[IAmBatman]

Re: Green Arrow (Oliver Queen) (Justice League) - Design (ho

Updated Arrows of Justice text in the OP.

 

[Arch-vile]

Re: Green Arrow (Oliver Queen) (Justice League) - Design (ho

Sanity test for Vigilante class stuff:

C3G STANDARD PLAYTEST FEEDBACK FORM

NAME OF THE PLAYTEST UNIT: Green Arrow

Army Test
Map: Custom
Units: Green Arrow (210), Batman Bat-Family, Black Canary I, Nite Owl, Robin Dick (900) VS Cap, Winter Soldier, Falcon, Black Widow (900)

Spoiler Alert!

Winter Soldier chooses Falcon for military duo.

Falcon gets some early wounds on Robin. Black Canary rushes in to engage Falcon, and Green Arrow gets some attacks off due to Cupid’s Arrow and a hot d20, putting 3 wounds on Falcon. Nite Owl lands the finishing blow on Falcon. Winter Soldier engages Green Arrow and deals him a couple wounds, while Black Widow does the same for Canary.

Black Canary one-shots Black Widow with hot dice. Green Arrow takes a turn to stab Winter Soldier with an arrow, dealing 3 wounds. Cap rushes in and uses his shield to defeat Canary and Robin in the same turn. Batman and Green Arrow whittle down Cap’s life, and Cap takes out Nite Owl. Cap’s dice are superior in the end and he takes out Batman then Winter Soldier finishes off Green Arrow.


Who won? List figures remaining in the winning army (include life remaining for heroes): Captain America (2 wounds), Winter Soldier (3 wounds) win.

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Army Test
Map: Custom
Units: Green Arrow (210), Batman I, Daredevil I, Batgirl Babs, Robin Damian (800) VS Androids 16, 17, 18 (800)

Spoiler Alert!

Android 18 break’s Daredevil’s arm, but he eats a ton of attacks still after that. Green Arrow bonds with Damian a couple times when GA gets an OM, but all the other Vigilantes prefer bonding with Damian while he’s alive. The Android take out Daredevil, Batman takes out 16, then 18 takes out Damian then Batgirl.

Green Arrow and Batman team up, and manage a few wounds on the Androids, but they’re outclassed stat-wise. The duo manages to take out 18 before falling.


Who won? List figures remaining in the winning army (include life remaining for heroes): Android 17 (2 wounds) wins.

THOUGHTS ON THE TESTED UNIT'S COST, BALANCE, & DRAFTABILITY: Green Arrow’s not bad in a Vigilante army, you kind of need to view him as more of a sidekick (though he has the flexibility to take OMs and act as the vigilante too). It’s not nearly as useful as him in the JL since they generally lack bonding, while in the Bat-fam you’re already getting bonding from plenty of other sources so GA’s isn’t as necessary.

I think he’s a useful addition to a Vigilante army (especially one that includes original Black Canary, but his most powerful builds will be in Justice League armies. I think that’s an ideal place for the design to be personally.

 

[IAmBatman]

Re: Green Arrow (Oliver Queen) (Justice League) - Design (ho

Looks good! I linked the test to the OP. Since this is just sanity testing, seems like we should be good. I'm going to tag @Ronin to double check the wording check I just did and also propose we move to Art once that wording check is in.

 

[MrNobody]

Re: Green Arrow (Oliver Queen) (Justice League) - VOTE 4 Art

yea

 

[Ronin]

Re: Green Arrow (Oliver Queen) (Justice League) - VOTE 4 Art

ARROWS OF JUSTICE
Allied Vigilantes are added to the Justice League faction. During setup, place 1 Justice Marker on this card for each Justice League unit on your team, to a max of 4. If there is a Justice Marker on this card, after Green Arrow makes a normal attack on a non-adjacent figure, you may roll a d20. On a 14+, he may attack again. Green Arrow may not attack more than 4 times a turn.

Trimmed the marker color and a bit of the d20 language. Switched card to unit since that's what we did on Wondy.

ARROW TO THE RESCUE
After an ally's ordered activation, if Green Arrow has not attacked this turn, you may remove a Justice Marker from this card to activate Green Arrow. During this activation, he may only attack enemies adjacent to an ally. After this activation, end your turn.

LGTM.

ACROBATIC MOVEMENT
Green Arrow ignores falling damage. After attacking normally or defending, you may immediately maneuver Green Arrow 1 space up to 6 levels up or down for each shield rolled.

Not sure we need the "immediately" there.

Intent is that he moves after the whole attack is resolved or after rolling dice?

Might want him to avoid or not take falling damage rather than ignoring it? "Ignoring" usually implies to me that the thing is still happening.

I remember the wording on these powers being kind of a sticking point vis a vis whether this is several small maneuvers or one big one. The thing that's hitting me right now is that going up elevations the way it does makes it feel like it's not really a typical space-counting movement but more of a placement? Might be kind of a weird maneuver no matter what.

 

[IAmBatman]

Re: Green Arrow (Oliver Queen) (Justice League) - VOTE 4 Art

Updated the early stuff. Good questions on Acrobatic Movement. I went with avoids damage. The timing intent isn't something I've ever been 100% on. Any thoughts on it @Arch-vile