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Delta: latest updates and discussion

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Are the latest C3V releases in delta? Amberhive, Ranjit, etc.? Or are they new enough that you just use the regular C3V cost without a delta adjustment?
 
Knox said:
Are the latest C3V releases in delta? Amberhive, Ranjit, etc.? Or are they new enough that you just use the regular C3V cost without a delta adjustment?
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All new C3V releases will use their initial cost as their delta cost at first without adjustment.

Edit: the newest releases haven't been added to the spreadsheet yet but should be in the next Delta release (every 4 months).
 
Hey everyone. It’s time for our promised quarterly update to the Delta rankings. I won’t have the updated spreadsheet out for a few days, but I wanted to explain the changes that we’ve agreed upon for this cycle.

Strengthening Filler, part 1
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As stated in the earlier update, powerful filler really greases tournament heroscape by making more builds viable at more point totals. So we’re restoring the best two filler figures to their original cost, and pushing the S-Raider cost down to match their value.

Delta Meta Adjustments
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With fewer ranged attacks and special attacks in the Delta meta, powers like Hatamoto’s Aura start to really shine. We need to adjust our prices to accurately reflect the meta.


Good Stats are Good
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Pretty self-explanatory. Hard to kill units deserve a bump.

The Classic Experience
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While it was neat to get away from them for a bit, Cathars, Rats, and MW can all make for a fun experience for both players. We feel Delta has robbed that feeling a bit. None of them have bonding or an attack greater than 2, so it’s fine.

Strengthening Filler, part 2
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I tried to argue that this would be broken in the power rankings thread, but I was convinced otherwise.
 
I was really confused until I realized today's date.
 
Lol you got me good for a while. Bought into parts 1 & 2, got very confused in part 3, and realized it was April Fool's in part 4
 
Knox said:
Lol you got me good for a while. Bought into parts 1 & 2, got very confused in part 3, and realized it was April Fool's in part 4
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The best April's Fools reel you in.
 
Hey all,

The June update for Delta is here! It's not the massive drop that the December update was, but I take that as a positive sign that we are settling in on the level we want.

The spreadsheet links in the first post are updated. Here is a summary of the changes:

Monk Reapportionment
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Monks with the two big heroes was a touch overtuned in Delta, so we raised the price of the squad, while making the three less essential heroes a bit more affordable.

Generic Buffs
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Armocs continued to struggle and could use a bit of a discount. Command Courier deserved a buff a while ago but had frankly slipped through the cracks. Ranjit arrives in Delta at a discount because basically all of his best options are more expensive.

Generic Debuffs
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I suspect you're familiar with these two. They are still good.

Just for the record, these will be the final Delta updates before Scapecon. Thanks to everyone for their interest in Delta.
 
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Briefly want to point out: within the spreadsheet, the "latest updates" tab appears to be mistaken for Command Courier. It's showing a 15 point increase (from 20 points up to 35) rather than a 15 point decrease (from 35 down to 20). The builder is also not showing the correct value.

Ranjit also doesn't show on the "latest updates" tab, although his point value is correct in the spreadsheet
 
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Knox said:
Briefly want to point out: within the spreadsheet, the "latest updates" tab appears to be mistaken for Command Courier. It's showing a 15 point increase (from 20 points up to 35) rather than a 15 point decrease (from 35 down to 20). The builder is also not showing the correct value.
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Oops, thanks for the spot. Fixed.

Knox said:
Ranjit also doesn't show on the "latest updates" tab, although his point value is correct in the spreadsheet
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Well, I wasn't sure whether to list him there, since this is actually Ranjit's first appearance on the sheet. But I'll put it in there just for additional clarity.
 
dok said:
this is actually Ranjit's first appearance on the sheet. But I'll put it in there just for additional clarity.
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FWIW, I interpret "updates" as updates to the entire list, rather than updates to a unit that was already on the list. Additions, deletions, corrections, or really any changes at all are important to know about for those of us who have other documents, projects, etc. that we need to keep in sync with the latest pricing. So I appreciate these efforts to get Ranjit on my radar.
 
dok said:
Hey all,

The June update for Delta is here! It's not the massive drop that the December update was, but I take that as a positive sign that we are settling in on the level we want.

The spreadsheet links in the first post are updated. Here is a summary of the changes:

Monk Reapportionment
Spoiler Alert!
Monks with the two big heroes was a touch overtuned in Delta, so we raised the price of the squad, while making the three less essential heroes a bit more affordable.

Generic Buffs
Spoiler Alert!
Armocs continued to struggle and could use a bit of a discount. Command Courier deserved a buff a while ago but had frankly slipped through the cracks. Ranjit arrives in Delta at a discount because basically all of his best options are more expensive.

Generic Debuffs
Spoiler Alert!
I suspect you're familiar with these two. They are still good.

Just for the record, these will be the final Delta updates before Scapecon. Thanks to everyone for their interest in Delta.
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I've been trying to get back into Heroscape, and what you've done here has been phenomenal. Truly great work.

I did want to know your thoughts on this thread though (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=27657) , and the "agreed upon" changes listed there. When pricing these units, are any of these altered effects considered? Or are you still pricing based only on the original card text.

Sorry if this has already been asked and answered.
 
NoLoveLost said:
dok said:
Hey all,

The June update for Delta is here! It's not the massive drop that the December update was, but I take that as a positive sign that we are settling in on the level we want.

The spreadsheet links in the first post are updated. Here is a summary of the changes:

Monk Reapportionment
Spoiler Alert!
Monks with the two big heroes was a touch overtuned in Delta, so we raised the price of the squad, while making the three less essential heroes a bit more affordable.

Generic Buffs
Spoiler Alert!
Armocs continued to struggle and could use a bit of a discount. Command Courier deserved a buff a while ago but had frankly slipped through the cracks. Ranjit arrives in Delta at a discount because basically all of his best options are more expensive.

Generic Debuffs
Spoiler Alert!
I suspect you're familiar with these two. They are still good.

Just for the record, these will be the final Delta updates before Scapecon. Thanks to everyone for their interest in Delta.
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I've been trying to get back into Heroscape, and what you've done here has been phenomenal. Truly great work.

I did want to know your thoughts on this thread though (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=27657) , and the "agreed upon" changes listed there. When pricing these units, are any of these altered effects considered? Or are you still pricing based only on the original card text.

Sorry if this has already been asked and answered.
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Hi.

Delta points are separate from the Competitive Unit Congress and intended to be used independently (i.e. with all original stats and powers listed on the cards).
 
Chris Perkins said:
NoLoveLost said:
dok said:
Hey all,

The June update for Delta is here! It's not the massive drop that the December update was, but I take that as a positive sign that we are settling in on the level we want.

The spreadsheet links in the first post are updated. Here is a summary of the changes:

Monk Reapportionment
Spoiler Alert!
Monks with the two big heroes was a touch overtuned in Delta, so we raised the price of the squad, while making the three less essential heroes a bit more affordable.

Generic Buffs
Spoiler Alert!
Armocs continued to struggle and could use a bit of a discount. Command Courier deserved a buff a while ago but had frankly slipped through the cracks. Ranjit arrives in Delta at a discount because basically all of his best options are more expensive.

Generic Debuffs
Spoiler Alert!
I suspect you're familiar with these two. They are still good.

Just for the record, these will be the final Delta updates before Scapecon. Thanks to everyone for their interest in Delta.
Click to expand...


I've been trying to get back into Heroscape, and what you've done here has been phenomenal. Truly great work.

I did want to know your thoughts on this thread though (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=27657) , and the "agreed upon" changes listed there. When pricing these units, are any of these altered effects considered? Or are you still pricing based only on the original card text.

Sorry if this has already been asked and answered.
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Hi.

Delta points are separate from the Competitive Unit Congress and intended to be used independently (i.e. with all original stats and powers listed on the cards).
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Thank you for the reply. Has there been any effort to adjust the points for the Marvel heroes? I'd love for some of them to make a comeback if they could avoid being so broken.
 
Anyone have thoughts on current Delta pricing based on Scapecon II event? @dok what's the best place to send delta feedback, if any?
 
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