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Consolidated List of Problems With The Renegade AOA Roll Out

I haven't seen the jungle pieces in person yet, so those might be an improvement once some time with a dremel is spent fixing them.

But time you should not have to spend doing. I know they haven't responded with the 'plan' yet, but they can't expect people to just accept the error without doing something. Whether that's a partial refund (yeah right) or some sort of unique online code with a discount towards future product, they need to make good on it.
 
I think all of the aesthetics are worse.

Gotta agree with that. I said "many of" just in case there was something I missed that's actually an aesthetic improvement. But through and through, these products show a lack of attention to detail, and a failure to understand all the elements beyond just gameplay that made Heroscape great.

The sad thing is, I have the same overall feeling about Renegadescape that I do about Disney Wars, Paramount+ Trek, Indiana Jones and the Insufferable Intended Replacement.... So often now, when somebody new gets control of something that has been a cherished classic, they can't seem to look past their own self-interest long enough to understand how they're actually ruining that thing. The exceptions, like Cobra Kai or Godzilla Minus One, are few and far between. Actual craftsmanship is in short supply.

I guess this must work, to some degree, in the marketplace because the opposite customer perspective still persists. "Bad ______ is better than NO ______, my dudes!!!" I suspect that attitude is part of the reason why we keep being asked to pay more and more money for increasingly inferior stuff. The crap sandwiches will keep coming until we stop buying them and demand better with our wallets.

The irony is, it doesn't always have to cost a lot more money to get things right. It does however require putting the right people in place and actually listening to your customers. It should cost no more money to test-fit your tiles before going into production instead of after, or to ask the player community to help you, for free, evaluate the consequences of your unit recosting scheme, or to write an actually good name for an alien space-bear instead of "Irene." As has already been said, these and a dozen other issues are all unforced errors.

Regardless of whatever excuses we come up with to soothe ourselves, we can't call any this "competent."

So we all fall back to "at least the gameplay looks good." Well, during the many years of no new product, this community has learned how to provide itself with new units without buying official product from anyone. That's not gonna be good for Renegade when a big chunk of the player base just proxies the new units because they don't need the new terrain and/or are fed up with the multiple kinds of poor quality, and when they end up having to do their own painting anyway because the "premium" paint jobs look cheap and sloppy. It's not hard to predict where this all leads.

And after everything this community has been through, that just plain SUCKS.
 
Falling back on the gameplay being good is also really sad when the gameplay is still that from the War Council... aka community members that have been providing us with awesome units unofficially already.

I believe the only gameplay fully original to Renegade are the scenarios. And despite the Battle Box having four scenarios and the glyph of Brandar, it doesn't show up in a single one of them. (Not that I care about scenarios, that's not how I play, but it's still sad to see)
 
Update: I talked to 3 different people who preordered stuff for Gen Con pick up today. I asked them if Renegade said anything about the defective jungle. Nope not a word.
 
Weird, overly detailed (added expense) minis that nobody asked for. Bad paint jobs for the minis. Army cards that look worse than customs. Glyphs that look worse than customs. Unfinished wall tops. Inconsistent hexes on the tiles. Wellspring tiles that look like cheaper copies of the ice tiles.
The only point I'll disagree on is the mini details.
Renegade was going to charge too much no matter what, and seeing the first few unboxings, the unpainted sculpts (which are inherited from Craig & Co in the Haslab campaign) do look very nice.
 
The only point I'll disagree on is the mini details.

Renegade was going to charge too much no matter what, and seeing the first few unboxings, the unpainted sculpts (which are inherited from Craig & Co in the Haslab campaign) do look very nice.

I had mixed feelings at first, since classic 'Scape figures do not really have sharp details, but seeing the videos has brought me to appreciate it. On a similar note, while I thought the Haslab renders made the new figures look too lean compared to the old style, the final product scale appears to match quite well.
 
I never did mind the paint jobs on the classic Scape figures. Being someone who doesn't paint (as much as I tell myself I will some day) my threshold for 'good enough' is pretty low.

That in mind, what I've seen so far (in some cases) has fallen below even my standards. The Drake promo someone posted on FB recently is just awful. It's not that the colors are bad or done poorly, but the face is completely skipped. It's just gray. Looks like an alien. Maybe an outlier, but I don't have any confidence that is the case.

I haven't yet ordered my master set mostly because I saw no reason to give Renegade my money 6 months a head of time, when I knew the set would be just as available at the time of release. My intention was to get the pre-painted all the way. But seeing that the results appear not to be premium, or Renegade's idea of premium is being clueless, I think I'm going to save the $$ and go unpainted. The great thing about the 'not premium' paint jobs of the classic figures is the aesthetic will be much easier to match and will be relatively quick to paint.

Oh and please please please please please someone with the ability and the willingness to do it, create Scape cards of all the new units in the classic style. I realize art is subjective and I don't begrudge anyone who likes it. But I despise the new cards, it's driving my senses crazy.
 
The new card design is just awful. The old one had room for improvement but this just went in the opposite direction.
 
Just me wondering out loud here, but was there this much fuss about the 1 hex glacier pieces not sitting properly on top of a regular tile? The little holes in the 1 hex glacier base (and later 1 hex out cropping from BftU) that the glacier fits into prevent the "ice tile" base from setting completely flat on a tile below it like all the other one hex water/swamp water/lava/ice/shadow tiles will.

I know there should have been some "beta testing" that would have discovered the issue with the new Jungle trees, but I'm not seeing as being that major of a thing for me. Oh well, to each his own.
 
Hmmm... I don't think I ever noticed those hexes don't sit flush with the hex below it.
 
This issue is a little more dramatic than that one, since this has a ripple effect on adjacent tiles. The whole area kind of buckles.
 
I chuckled a bit watching Sir H's video at the big wall piece that seems to double as a swinging doggy door. The card designs definitely disappointed me, I really enjoyed how the originals portrayed the actual miniatures in the backdrop, rather than digital renders.

Oh well, I'm likely not gonna buy anything for a while anyhow :shrug:
 
Are we really down to complaining about how Irene isn't a good name for a fantasy space bear?

The only "problem" that's actually a real problem is that the jungle trees don't stack. Everything else is just things not going the way people think they should.
 
Are we really down to complaining about how Irene isn't a good name for a fantasy space bear?

I'm not sure one person in a 6 page and counting thread counts as "we."

Fair point, but I think the complaining about the way the new cards look and how the biographies of the figures aren't well written falls under the category of "not an actual problem". And I don't think the paint jobs are nearly as bad as people are saying they are.
 
Are we really down to complaining about how Irene isn't a good name for a fantasy space bear?

I'm not sure one person in a 6 page and counting thread counts as "we."

Fair point, but I think the complaining about the way the new cards look and how the biographies of the figures aren't well written falls under the category of "not an actual problem". And I don't think the paint jobs are nearly as bad as people are saying they are.

lol, so graphic design doesn't matter for the enjoyment of a game at all?
 
Are we really down to complaining about how Irene isn't a good name for a fantasy space bear?

I'm not sure one person in a 6 page and counting thread counts as "we."

Fair point, but I think the complaining about the way the new cards look and how the biographies of the figures aren't well written falls under the category of "not an actual problem". And I don't think the paint jobs are nearly as bad as people are saying they are.

lol, so graphic design doesn't matter for the enjoyment of a game at all?

That's not what I said. I said I don't think the new design is an actual problem. No matter what aesthetic design decisions they make, someone isn't going to like it.
 
Fair enough. I think it looks really, really awful and poor quality, but I can readily accept that's a subjective view. Most things inevitably are when they come to a game. I wasn't going to buy it even if the cards looked cool, though, so maybe it doesn't matter.
 
The graphic design of the new cards is bad but I can look past that
 
Are we really down to complaining about how Irene isn't a good name for a fantasy space bear?

Huh, yeah that is pretty lame. Almost as lame as complaining about other people's opinions on things that bother them. Thankfully nobody has resorted to that level of insecurity yet.
 
And we'll let that be the final word about Irene or y'all might annoy an admin into locking this thread or something :p
 
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