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Colorado Pooled Draft Event - January 15th

Which, if any, of the following events would you attend?

  • January 8th, Pooled Draft format

    Votes: 2 22.2%

  • January 15th, Pooled Draft format

    Votes: 5 55.6%

  • January 8th, vanilla format (bring army of size XXX)

    Votes: 2 22.2%

  • January 15th, vanilla format (bring army of size XXX)

    Votes: 3 33.3%

  • January 8th, other format (discuss below)

    Votes: 3 33.3%

  • January 15th, other format (discuss below)

    Votes: 2 22.2%
  • Total voters
    9
  • Poll closed .
dok

dok

GenCon Main Event Champion - 2010, 2011, & 2017
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Just vote for which, if any, you would attend in the Denver area. If you have a funky format idea, post it below.
 
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I thought that what they did in Little Rock, AR for NHSD this year was a cool idea. I believe they had a Point Penalty for using Q9, Raelin 1.0, Rats. If this tournament were to be 550 points, I'd like to see a 75-100 point penalty for drafting any of these cards. People can say that this is a slippery slope, being so heavy handed on these particular units, but I just believe that time and test have proven how much more powerful than most of the other cards in the game that they are. I originally thought that 50 point penalty is enough punishment, but I think that even a Vanilla style tournament would be more enjoyable if that penalty were harsher, say 75-100 of your 550 point army.


Then I would like to see players bringing up to a 1500 point draft pool and standard drafting out of their own pools, and set a rule to where no army card can play 2 games in a row. This way you have to think twice about putting certain things in at certain games, so you can have that strong stuff/stuff you rely on for the next game. Drafting pick time limit 1 minute per pick, can draft multiple common packs at once.
 
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Geryon said:
I thought that what they did in Little Rock, AR for NHSD this year was a cool idea. I believe they had a Point Penalty for using Q9, Raelin 1.0, Rats. If this tournament were to be 550 points, I'd like to see a 75-100 point penalty for drafting any of these cards. People can say that this is a slippery slope, being so heavy handed on these particular units, but I just believe that time and test have proven how much more powerful than most of the other cards in the game that they are.
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I don't see that. Raelin is definitely way ahead of the pack. Deathreavers and Q9 are definitely the next two in my mind, but the gap is not so large that I feel they deserve to be singled out in this way.

There's this consistent fiction that tournaments are dominated by people playing the three A+ figures, but it doesn't match reality at all. Look through the GenCon results and the NHSD results. Raelin dominates; Q9 and rats don't.

Geryon said:
I originally thought that 50 point penalty is enough punishment, but I think that even a Vanilla style tournament would be more enjoyable if that penalty were harsher, say 75-100 of your 550 point army.
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If we want to play the point adjustment game, I'd much rather take a comprehensive approach, like Cornpuff does here. I'd be willing to try playing a tournament under those point values. It would be pretty interesting to see.

Geryon said:
Then I would like to see players bringing up to a 1500 point draft pool and standard drafting out of their own pools
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That's the "standard"? Funny, when I read the drafting rules out of the rulebook there's no mention of each player having their own drafting pool. And the four recent tournaments in various parts of the country, as well as the two that are being planned, as well as the annual events in Texas and Northern California, all use a pooled draft. I'm pretty sure the pooled draft is the "standard", not a segregated draft.

I know you're a doubter on this, but you should really give the pooled draft thing a try. All segregated drafts do is allow for some counterdrafting - which is nice, but it doesn't shake up the metagame that much, really. A pooled draft completely levels the metagame. If you're afraid of seeing Q9/rats/Raelin, the pooled draft is your friend.

Geryon said:
set a rule to where no army card can play 2 games in a row. This way you have to think twice about putting certain things in at certain games, so you can have that strong stuff/stuff you rely on for the next game.
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I have seen suggestions like this before, and I'm not a huge fan of it. I think this could actually lead to more formulaic army design, not less formulaic, depending on how players approach it. It also really rewards the more experienced players who can plan out their armies... and we don't need the help.

This could also be a bit tricky to keep track of, especially given that we usually use a rolling format as opposed to a round-based format.

Geryon said:
Drafting pick time limit 1 minute per pick, can draft multiple common packs at once.
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A pick time limit is a good idea, I like that. We don't have to enforce it harshly, but we can say that you're expected to average a minute per pick or less. The one downside of our recent draft events is that the drafting process can end up taking a long time.

That said, players should be given a chance to read their opponent's cards before the draft starts, if they are not familiar with the figures.
 
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I would definitely go for a pooled draft either of those days. Just got a bunch of new scape and I'm eager to try it out :D
 
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like I said I'll play whatever you guys throw out there, I just think it's lame for someone to be able to completely screw somebody by taking their Bonding Hero away after they've drafted their squad etc.

Maybe things work out a lot differently than this in play, won't hurt to give it a try.
 
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Geryon said:
like I said I'll play whatever you guys throw out there, I just think it's lame for someone to be able to completely screw somebody by taking their Bonding Hero away after they've drafted their squad etc.
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Well, after the first pick it's all back to back picks, so you can draft hero+squad in one turn.

Moreover, though, you have to realize that it's not a "free screw" if someone drafts your bonding hero - they are stuck with the hero and no bonding squad. As long as you draft the half of the pair that works better on its own first, you are safe from this sort of denial drafting.

Geryon said:
Maybe things work out a lot differently than this in play, won't hurt to give it a try.
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:up: glad to hear it.

Anyway, before we make up our minds on a format, I'd like to hear from some of our other regulars. Dylan_D is out; kpucblek and Daniel might be in on the 15th. Wild_Imagination? Generalrolondo? chief?
 
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Morning start times are not good for a few months for me. I'm working with European clients and therefore am working 11 pm to 7:30am. I know Valhalla's is open late on Saturday, but I doubt many would want to play from 6pm to 12am (or whenever we would have to clean up and get going).
 
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OK, given that it's got more votes, and that we're already pretty close to the 8th, let's call it in favor of January 15th.

Possible attendees so far:
  1. chief
  2. dok
  3. Revloscaper
  4. GeneralRolando
  5. Tolamos
  6. Geryon
  7. kpucblek
  8. Daniel
  9. Wild_Imagination (after 6PM)
Not counting me, the votes were 3-2-1 on format between pooled draft, vanilla format, and other. I love the draft formats, but I could do something else, like a vanilla format, or cornpuff's tweaked point costs, or something else.
 
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It's actually not very likely I will be attending. As said before I'd need to be able to sell at least $50 worth of stuff to you all in Colorado to be worth closing the store on that day. It takes $80 in sales per day to break even, so even at $50 I am losing a bit of money. Also there is going to be a tournament in Cheyenne later in the month. I'm not good at linking posts but you can find it posted here. I've now got a pretty good number of people playing here so I suspect I'll have at least 10 people at the event even if nobody from Colorado shows up.
 
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Guys... you're not going to believe it! Crud!!! OF COURSE I have a schedule conflict!!! ARGHH!! We might be able to make it to some of the event, but may have to leave early or arrive later.

Geryon... to address your concerns about the drafting format... don't worry. It's a lot of fun. It's really my favorite format. You get to try out new armies that you probably wouldn't have chosen before. Plus, you get a different army each time you play. (most likely).
 
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OK folks, we need to start making some decisions here.

We're settled on January 15th.

Is there any location preference between Valhalla's and Enchanted Grounds? I personally prefer Enchanted Grounds since we don't have to go out to get food. If there aren't any objections I'll give them a call to check availability.

At this point, we have three formats that have received a decent amount of support:

  1. Classic prebuilt format
  2. Prebuilt format with tweaked points costs
  3. Pooled draft format

I will play anything, but I prefer the second or third options.

Finally, maps. There are a couple new BoV maps since we last played so we could try those out.
 
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Pre Built with Tweaked Point costs sounds pretty interesting, that gets my vote I think.

What time will this be starting? How long does it usually last?

Lookin' forward to it.

edit: Wow I've never seen the tweaked points before and they look really solid.
 
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I'll have a better idea as to how involved we can be and at what time by Sat evening(the 8th).

Then I'll give my preferences.

EDIT: Ok... so I found out our plan...
We'll be there! We'll just have to leave a little early (around 1). We're excited tho!

Preferences:
1. Valhalla's (just because it's much closer to us and we'll be able to play longer. But we'd still come down to E-Grounds).
2. and Both Daniel and I prefer the pooled draft format. (although we'd be happy with anything).

As for the maps... I'm great with new ones. What are they? (links?)

We're willing to start as soon as the place opens.
Also, we can bring maps (we'd just have to take it with us when we leave).
We also got a new SOTM set for Christmas. So, we can bring that if needed.
 
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10 AM to 4:30 PM on Saturday the 15th at Valhalla's.

We won't be 100% confirmed until I talk to the owner tomorrow and we get put on the calendar, but they have the space and I'd be shocked if we have any issues.

For format, we're clearly down to two... either the pooled draft or the tweaked points. Here are the tweaked points:

Spoiler Alert!

If we use that I say we play somewhere between 515 and 540 points.

If we use pooled draft, let's stick with the 1000 point maximum, and try, say, 530 points?

It seems like more people are leaning toward the tweaked points, but I'd like to hear from other people who are planning to attend.

The new three new inductees to the BoV are:
  1. Burial Marsh by Panopticon:
    Spoiler Alert!
  2. If you can't take the Heat by Dignan
    Spoiler Alert!
  3. Fulcrum (We've used it before, but not for a while and not since it joined the BoV):
    Spoiler Alert!
I'm open to more suggestions.
 
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I wasn't planning to attend anyway but with the tweaked points there is no way I would attend, those modified points are all jacked up. Evar scarcarver is a bit over powered already and it has his points reduced. Gorillanators are just fine at 90, other adjustments are really bad as well. While I agree some units need some minor modifications this list has over done it and done it in a horrible way. The game is more balanced now than it would be if this modified list were used.
 
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lafleurhero said:
I wasn't planning to attend anyway but with the tweaked points there is no way I would attend, those modified points are all jacked up. Evar scarcarver is a bit over powered already and it has his points reduced. Gorillanators are just fine at 90, other adjustments are really bad as well. While I agree some units need some minor modifications this list has over done it and done it in a horrible way. The game is more balanced now than it would be if this modified list were used.
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I kinda agree with lafleurhero on the modified points. Why bother changing it all up? Just so some figures will get more playing time? That's the beauty of the pooled draft. You get to bring stuff that doesn't normally see much tourney or competitive play.

(I'm not saying I won't come if we play that way. I'm just saying my preference is pooled draft.)

As for the maps, they look fine. I haven't played either "Burial Marsh" or "Can't Take the heat." Fulcrum is a good one too.

dok, let me know if you need us to bring anything map related. (Sorry, no Lava). Anything else is fine tho.
 
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OK, we're confirmed at Valhalla's.

Since the preferences seem to be slanted that way, let's stick with the pooled draft format.

We need to decide on a point total. I propose a 1000 point drafting pool with 530 point armies.
  1. chief
  2. dok
  3. Revloscaper
  4. GeneralRolando
  5. Tolamos
  6. Geryon
  7. kpucblek
  8. Daniel
chief/Generalrolondo/Geryon, can any of you bring some maps? We need someone to bring "If you can't take the heat", and I'l like an Ice map, too.
 
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Woohoo, another draft format! Wish I could go. Not that you need help, but check out my Draft Tourney Options and Tips thread, of which wouldn't be possible without dok's Pooled Draft format thread. I highly suggest draftable glyphs too.

Good luck and have fun.
 
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dok said:
OK, we're confirmed at Valhalla's.

Since the preferences seem to be slanted that way, let's stick with the pooled draft format.

We need to decide on a point total. I propose a 1000 point drafting pool with 530 point armies.
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This all sounds good, but when you say a 1000 drafting pool does that mean both players bring 1000 points worth of units? (sorry if this sounds dumb but I am a bit confused)
 
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Revloscaper said:
dok said:
OK, we're confirmed at Valhalla's.

Since the preferences seem to be slanted that way, let's stick with the pooled draft format.

We need to decide on a point total. I propose a 1000 point drafting pool with 530 point armies.
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This all sounds good, but when you say a 1000 drafting pool does that mean both players bring 1000 points worth of units? (sorry if this sounds dumb but I am a bit confused)
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Yep, each player gets a 1000 point pool, they put them together, and each player drafts 530 points out of it.
 
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Great! I'm really excited. This format is FUN!

One question... is Marvel allowed? (Not that I want it, I'm just asking).
 
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