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Collected Barracks Voting Threads

Should these guys be in the Barracks?

  • No they are too weak

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • No for other reasons

    Votes: 1 100.0%

  • No they are too powerful

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Yes

    Votes: 0 0.0%
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I also voted no, just way to much power. I was just saying in my custom thread how I determine cost by comparing to regular Heroscape guys. I like to think for example, for 140 would I still take Mimring or this guy. Mimring would never see the table while this fella is around. So my answer then is he is overpowered, I do all of my point costs this way and generally I am right on. This guy is worth a bunch more than 140.
 
Doc, I think for 6 life and great stats, combined with the potential for a series of devastating attacks without great danger to himself, I would cost him at least as high as Charos. Charos may have good staying power, but Kjeld's abilities will usually be more useful. As GB pointed out, the bonding is going to really make him a hit, since you can slide your Romans into position on the same marker you smack a grut and kill three or four more.

I would vote a yes (except I already voted no) if he was at least 210-230. I really like him, but at this price, he's a no-brainer in every army. I would hesitate a long time before I let an opponent use this guy.

If you change him, maybe we can re-nominate the card and take anoother run at it. It's a fun custom, with cool powers, and if he was more than half of a 400 point army, he would be a lot more reasonably priced.
 
No, overpowered, I feel that he is worth, well, looking at officials with powers that resemble this one; I would cost him at 160 - 180. I may be wrong on that much tough I have not played tested him. He looks cool, and once coasted right he would be a first draft pick, because of his strategic abilities.

I will give him a 6, recast him and he is an easy eight.

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6/10

Widigo

No, Overpowered - Recast Him.

When I say originality and creativity I mean ability that are as bold and strategic as this one's. Although this no one can argue Hasbro has done, they have not done one that allows for a complete common removal. I am happy to see one that is not as strings-attached-ish as Brunak's and DW8K's.

Recost and he is a winner. Happy now!

I really should start signing my letters after I have finished writing them.
 
Barracks Voting: Shin-Hua

Ryyderech's Shin-Hua:
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Figure used: HeroClix Boon. Available for .50 or so off of ebay.
 
I nominated this card and I voted yes. Good solid effort here. You can always make the guy a 3/3, and in some cases you can really pump him up. You gotta use him in conjunction with initiative obviously. What I thought was cool was how his ability matched his fighting style. The staff is heavy and tiring to wield, so his attacks get weaker as the round progresses. I see him costing about 50 points.
 
Thank you all for all your time helping me balance this guy. I will work on him and repost in my thread.
 
Hate the mini.
Love the card. ;)
Definitely would enjoy seeing it in play on the table, even with the goofy mini. I like how his power encourages all kinds of tactical thinking about whether or not it's worth it to put all your eggs in one basket. GB has a good point with the theme, too. It's always nice to see a cheap but usable hero, too.
 
An absolutely unreserved abso-freaking-lutely. I love this one. Simple and elegant, and a perfect hero for the monks.
 
Sorry.

He's underpowered.

Other than the goofy mini, we really have to start comparing heroes and their power levels to squads to realize how much weaker they are and how superfluous they are becoming in the game.

For 60 points, I can choose to use my Order Markers on the Tarn Vikings or Roman Legionnaires or almost a 4th Mass Line that end up getting FOUR 3 or 4 attack dice attacks each activation, and have at least 4 life total. Not to mention the other abilities, like Bonding or Berserker Charge that more than make up for the Leap this hero gets.

A 2/2 hero with 4 Life, who requires constant Order MArkers to even become a 3/3, is simply not competetive in gameplay with squads or even heroes like Me-Burq-Sa.

Mid-level heroes HAVE to be more effective than this Shin-Hua to bother putting an Order Marker on them, since they only have ONE attack per round.

Again, sorry.
 
reapersaurus said:
Sorry... Again, sorry.
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You know Reaper you don't have to apologize whenever you disagree with or vote against a custom :p At least for me I'm happy as long as you explain why you like or dislike a custom I make which you have done here :D

Also I know GB has suggested 50 points for Shin-Hua and in my own thoughts I have gone as low as 40. Where would you cost him?

As for the figure I agree he is pretty goofy. I did not realize it when I first picked him up but when I began to take pictures for the card I noticed I could not get a good angle! He does look a little better on the battlefield but I definitely think the card for Shin-Hua turned out badly compared to my other cards.
 
Well, ask yourself - would he kill 40 points worth of Vipers?
Would he kill 40 points worth of Grut Orcs or Grut Archers (even without the Champion or Beast Bonding).

I don;t think he would 50% of the time.

Low power heroes have a LOT of latitude to be cheap, since the major cost with them is not in POINT COST, it is in ORDER MARKER placement where they kill your army effectivness.

Only having 1 attack is brutal and hampers your armys damage-dealing. Placing lots of Order MArkers on this guy literally will lose you the game IMO, since the other guy is gonna be getting 4 attacks each round PLUS his big heroe's attacks if they Bond.

40 points would be plenty for this guy.
Furthermore, I would happily vote yes for him then, goofy fig or no.

I'm curious - did you have any alterantive figures in mind for him? ren't there quite a few martial artist figures that have come out the past few years?
 
reapersaurus said:
40 points would be plenty for this guy.
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Cool. I have wanted to lower his cost for some time now to 40. As I have said before I stray to the more expensive side when I cost a custom. Now that I have two people who have suggested I lower his cost I will do so.

You can now see the updated 40-point card if you hit your refresh button.

Grungebob said:
If he had the monks other ability to attack all adjacent figs he would be perfect.
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I had considered Shaolin Assault for Shin-Hua but I wanted to keep him a fairly low cost Hero. I'll consider the idea.

reapersaurus said:
I'm curious - did you have any alterantive figures in mind for him? Aren't there quite a few martial artist figures that have come out the past few years?
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The Heroclix Boon seemed to fit Shin-Hua best for me since he has the staff and is a cheap figure to find. He does look better on the field. Also one reason why he looks odd in the card is the color scheme: the blue clothes clash with the green background. Most of the HS figures have been painted to mesh with the card of their general but this is not a problem on the battlefield.

Otherwise you could try the DnD Scarlet Monk:

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He lacks the staff but is well sculpted and painted. He is almost perfect scale for HS too :D Most of the other DnD monks are too small though I will probably use some of them for HS anyway. Depends on how picky you are when it comes to size.

I think Heroclix Indy probably has a few cheap monk figures as well. I do not play Heroclix however and they do not have a single page with all the pictures: instead you have to click on each figure name to view the figure. It makes it hard for me to find a figure appropriate for Shin-Hua. Also a lot of the other Monk-type Heroclix figures look just as funny =P
 
skyknight said:
I gave you a yes Rhyd, thoguh your figure looks like he could be on top of a wedding cake :lol:
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You've been to some freaky weddings SK!

I don't even plan on using this mini as I have so many other monks figures.
 
skyknight said:
I gave you a yes Rhyd, thoguh your figure looks like he could be on top of a wedding cake :lol:
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LOL! Blame Wizkids not me! =P

Anyway you guys have convinced me to re-paint my Boon. I had considered it before but eventually decided the original figure would be ok. Now I'm thinking otherwise :p

By the way what figure do you intend to use GB?
 
I voted yes, as I do think he's playable as is (cheap back-up, situational use with stealth leap, etc.), though I would prefer to see him with some form of shaolin assualt and a boost in cost.

With all four order markers on him, potential is there for 5 attack on six figures, which would be quite powerful for busting up 'formation' type armies - but more likely would be taking on 1 or 2 enemies, plus the requirement of disabling the rest of one's army in order to get the boost, coupled with the diminishing returns as the round goes on: I think 60-80 points would be good, yes?
 
Rhydderch said:
skyknight said:
I gave you a yes Rhyd, thoguh your figure looks like he could be on top of a wedding cake :lol:
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LOL! Blame Wizkids not me! =P

Anyway you guys have convinced me to re-paint my Boon. I had considered it before but eventually decided the original figure would be ok. Now I'm thinking otherwise :p

By the way what figure do you intend to use GB?
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D&D miniatures DrunkenMaster or an older Deadlands Chan Gang mini that was sculpted by Bob Naismith the same sculptor that does Heroscape.
 
toddrew said:
I would prefer to see him with some form of shaolin assualt and a boost in cost.
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I had considered Shaolin Assault with an increase in cost but originally felt he would be fun as a simple and cheap hero. Reaper does have a point tho with the strength of many squad armies.

Anyway I'll make a second card after class for people who would prefer a stronger Shin-Hua.
 
Hey Everyone sorry I posted it so late but here is the alternate version of Shin Hua with Shaolin Assault:

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I decided to cost him at 60 - you may need to hit refresh to see the most updated card.

To get my number I took some advice from Reaper and compared him to the most similar figures: the Shaolin Monks who cost 80 points. Shin Hua only has 2 base attack and defense so it takes at least 2 turn markers for him to reach the same attack the Monks have and he will still have less total attacks. It takes 3 or 4 for Shin Hua to have a higher attack and even then it will last a maximum of 2 turns only. Also his defense also tapers down as the round progresses so that he may be more vulnerable than a regular Monk by the end of the round. Granted you could place the X marker on his card every round but then you lose some strategic advantages.
 
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