Classic League XI - Random Draft - CONGRATS EARTHLING

kevindola · Nov 8, 2023

The Finals are on Nightfall. (Dagmar, Unique, TG x2)

The Earthling (5-0) v. Sir Heroscape (5-1) pool of armies is

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Sir Heroscape wins the diceoff to pick first OR pick second and strike.

The Semifinals are on Receding Waters. (Lodin, Kelda, TG x2)

The Earthling (4-0) v. Chris Perkins (3-1) pool of armies is

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Earthling wins the diceoff to pick first OR pick second and strike.

The Sir Heroscape (4-1) v. OG-Blaha (3-1) pool of armies is

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OG-Blaha wins the diceoff to pick first OR pick second and strike.

The Quarterfinals are on Betelguese. (Wannok, Unique, TG x4)

The Sir Heroscape (3-1) v. Dysole (3-1) pool of armies is

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Sir Heroscape wins the diceoff to pick first OR pick second and strike.

Bonus Games

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Bonus Games-2

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Round 4 is on July. (Valda, Wannok, TG x4)

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Round 3 is on Nightfall. (Unique, Dagmar, TG x2)

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Round 2 is on Blackfoot. (Dagmar, Lodin)

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Round 1 is on Subduction (Thorian, Valda)

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Tournament Details

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This tournament will be bi-weekly. You will have two weeks to complete your game with your opponent. (Week 1 begins Monday 11/20, extension requests due to the holiday will be permissible with requests to tournament organizer)

The format is Random Draft Pool.

This event will use DELTA POINTS

Rules:

Army Constraints

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Randomized Draft (Strike 1)

For this event, the tournament organizer will provide a unique draft pool for each game. The pool will
consist of 1500-1600 points.
Random Draft Creation Rules

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-No unique cards will be listed more than once in the pool
-Common squads will appear x4 (remember rule of 12 though)
-There will be 0 or at least 2 common squads in each draft pool.
-Uncommon heroes will appear x1
-Common heroes will appear x6
-Generation will stop once a pick places it within 1500-1600 point range. Common units will count 50% towards this accumulation.
Before each game, there will be a dice-off, done by the tournament organizer.
The winner of the dice-off decides whether to "strike and pick second" or "pick first"
If the winner chooses ‘pick first’ then the loser of the dice-off will ‘strike and pick second’
Before any unit selections, the player who strikes and picks second may choose one army card in the draft pool and ban it from play in this game. (If an army card of a common unit is selected, ALL army cards for that unit are banned) The strike may be declined. Draft then proceeds as normal below
The person who picks first chooses one card's worth of figures and places it. Players then alternate picking and placing one card per turn from the drafting pool.
For each unique army card pick, you choose a single card's worth of figures and place it in your start zone (except if you draft Airborne/Rechets). If you wish to sit figures, that decision must be made at the time when you would place those figures (e.g. if you have a squad of 4 figures and placing all those figures would put you at the figure limit but you would have points left over, you may choose to place only some of those figures)
For each common unit army card pick, you make take as many army cards of that type as you like (up to the max available). Each squad past the first one you select will use your subsequent draft pick(s).
Examples
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So if I am picking first and select 2 squads of Deepwyrm Drow, then I will have forfeited my 2nd pick.

If I select Deepwyrm Drow x3 then my opponent will get the next 3 picks before I choose again (assuming they do not pick a multiple squad choice)

Later in the draft if more of that same squad are available, either player can pick those up as well

Sample Draft
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Axegrinders x4 85/squad Deathstalkers x4 80/squad Armoc Vipers x4 55/figure Air Elemental x6 30/figure Drow Chainfigter x6 20/figure Jotun 190 Laglor 120 Othkurik the Black 140 Tor-Kul-Na 220 Zettian Guards 55 Hatamoto Taro 80 Major X17 75 Chardris 80
Player 2 strikes Axegrinders
Player 1 selects Jotun (190)
Player 2 selects 3 squads of Deathstalkers (240, uses up next 2 picks)
Player 1 selects Major X17 (265)
Player 2 <pick forfeited>
Player 1 selects Armoc Vipers x3 (430, forfeits next 2 picks)
Player 2 <pick forfeited>
Player 1 <pick forfeited>
Player 2 Tor-Kul-Na (460)
Player 1 <pick forfeited>
Player 2 Drow Chainfigher x2 (500, done)
Player 1 Armoc Vipers x1 (485)

Matchups
Jotun, Major X17, Armoc Vipers x4 vs. Tor-Kul-Na, deathstalkers x3, Drow Chainfighter x2
Players continue drafting until they pass or until they have no options within the 500 point, 18 figure limits. Once a player passes or has no placeable options, their draft ends, and the other player may continue drafting until they have no options remaining.
*Airborne Elite and Rechets of Bogdan count towards the figure limit.

If the placed figures in the army require more than 24 start zone spaces, place the minimum number of additional start zone tiles needed adjacent to the back of the start zone. All additional start zone tiles placed must be adjacent to standard start zone spaces, must be the same level as an adjacent standard start zone space (use grass or ice), and cannot be placed adjacent to a space that is not in the start zone. If there is a dispute in adding tiles, contact an organizer.

Tournament Setup

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Maps

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Treasure Glyphs and Traps

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History of the Classic League

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Participants:

kevindola
ryguy266
Chris Perkins
Earthling
quozl
Foudzing
Sir Heroscape
Swarm
Xiegfried
SkyWhale
Shurrig
KnightOfLight
Shiftrex
OG-Blaha
Dysole
houndsrule
MegaSilver
Vydar_XLIII

Special thanks

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Chris Perkins · Nov 8, 2023

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Neat idea. Look forward to seeing the pools.

Signed up

Foudzing · Nov 8, 2023

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Signed up! I wonder from which awesome and crazy brain came this idea.

Dysole · Nov 8, 2023

Of Course I'm In

Absolutely. Might need an extension for the first round but unsure.

~Dysole, loving draft events

Sir Heroscape · Nov 9, 2023

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wow...interesting format. Excited to see how it goes.

Swarm · Nov 9, 2023

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I'm in!

Xiegfried · Nov 9, 2023

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Never played draft format yet, so I'm excited to give it a shot!

Dysole · Nov 9, 2023

Worth Mentioning

I feel like x4 commons is going to lead to a lot of splitting commons which will likely create a number of "mirrorish matches". I almost wonder if 3x for commons will make things less samey.

~Dysole, musingly

KnightOfLight · Nov 9, 2023

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This looks awesome! I’m in!

kevindola · Nov 9, 2023

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Dysole said:
I feel like x4 commons is going to lead to a lot of splitting commons which will likely create a number of "mirrorish matches". I almost wonder if 3x for commons will make things less samey.

~Dysole, musingly

There are certainly many variations. We discussed and debated many of them. I would say the main dissents to x3 commons were

-Dislike that Squad x1 as the #1 pick not being viable with Squads x3 on the board (since #2 pick can pick the other 2 squads)

-Squads x3 unbalancing 4 man squads vs. 3 man squads with Rule of 12

We did heavily consider it x3 (or even x1 which I wouldn't have hated

) and thought out some extra rules to alleviate certain things, but ultimately decided to keep x4 commons for simplicity.

Dysole · Nov 9, 2023

I Guess

I just think you're gonna see a lot of uninteresting drafts as they will split the commons.

~Dysole, noting that this happened with pretty much everyone that brought common squad x4 or higher in the last draft season

Foudzing · Nov 15, 2023

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This is a choice between competitive fairness and "non-mirrorness", this iteration let the players choose if they want to go for a mirror or not whereas with x3 mirrors are basically forbidden.
And x2 would leave to the same problem (except x1 vs x1 instead of x2 vs x2) also a lot of squads are pretty terrible in x2.

This is a first draft anyway we'll see how it goes!

Wow we 16 already! Didn't expect that! Very excited I hope we see crazy picks and stuff!

kevindola · Nov 15, 2023

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After some discussion, we will be changing the common squad drafting rules. I'm hoping to update that tonight, but just wanted to make everyone aware. The goal is to minimize the mirroring which Dysole has brought up.

kevindola · Nov 16, 2023

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Signups are due this weekend so if you're interested please sign up!

Also here are the changes we are doing for the draft:

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quozl · Nov 16, 2023

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What are you using to generate the pool? I'd be interested in playing with it.

Vydar_XLIII · Nov 18, 2023

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Thanks for the PM @kevindola !

I'm in!

kevindola · Nov 20, 2023

Round 1

Wanted to get this up before end of the night. If someone still wants to participate and hasn't signed up you can send me a PM tonight, and I can put you in as an alternate or if I get an even amount set that matchup.

Away we go. Please review the draft rules in the OP as they changed during the week. Some highlights, but not inclusive:

-2nd pick gets the option to strike one unit from the draft pool
-Draft is 1-1-1-1-1......
-500 points, 18 figures, Rule of 12 (no more than 12 of the same figure in your army)
-You may select as many common squads/heroes of a type as possible during a selection, but selecting more than 1 squad will forfeit subsequent picks equal to the number of common hero/squads taken past the first

Round 1 is on Subduction (Thorian, Valda)

The ryguy266 v. Shurrig pool of armies is:

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ryguy266 wins the diceoff to pick first OR pick second and strike.

The Vydar_XLIII v. Xiegfried pool of armies is:

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Xiegfried wins the diceoff to pick first OR pick second and strike.

The OG-Blaha v. quozl pool of armies is:

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quozl wins the diceoff to pick first OR pick second and strike.

The SkyWhale v. KnightOfLight pool of armies is:

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KnightOfLight wins the diceoff to pick first OR pick second and strike.

The Earthling v. Foudzing pool of armies is:

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Earthling wins the diceoff to pick first OR pick second and strike.

The houndsrule v. kevindola pool of armies is:

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kevindola wins the diceoff to pick first OR pick second and strike.

The Chris Perkins v. Sir Heroscape pool of armies is:

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Chris Perkins wins the diceoff to pick first OR pick second and strike.

The MegaSilver v. Shiftrex pool of armies is:

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Shiftrex wins the diceoff to pick first OR pick second and strike.

The Swarm v. Dysole pool of armies is:

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Dysole wins the diceoff to pick first OR pick second and strike.

Dysole · Nov 20, 2023

Oooh

Oh I didn't realize everyone was getting a unique pod. That's neat.

~Dysole, looking forward to this

EDIT: Earthling vs Foudzing being a Heroes Only fight is hilarious

Foudzing · Nov 20, 2023

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YAS UNIQUE HEROES ONLY BABY!
Haha love it!

Actually this pools show me how there is much more different heroes than squads available.

I hope we see some kind of unexpected counters or synergies!

Vydar_XLIII · Nov 20, 2023

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Just to make sure I understand the new common rule, is the below mock draft correct?

Xiegfried picks first and picks Q10,
Vydar picks 3x Ashra.
Xiegfried now gets 3 picks in a row?

kevindola · Nov 20, 2023

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Vydar_XLIII said:
Just to make sure I understand the new common rule, is the below mock draft correct?

Xiegfried picks first and picks Q10,
Vydar picks 3x Ashra.
Xiegfried now gets 3 picks in a row?

Correct.

Unless Xiegfried also picks multiple commons. And then it depends where in his pick order he takes them.

kevindola · Nov 20, 2023

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Also, just for clarity and to make sure everyone understands how the draft dynamics could work....I don't want someone to be surprised and frustrated.

If Player 1 opens up with Squad x4.

Player 2 can go Hero-Hero-Hero-Squad x4

That would be valid. So consider carefully before making a multiple common unit selection.

Dysole · Nov 20, 2023

Draft Is Done

We're already finished with ours.

I chose to pick first. Swarm chose to strike nothing. Playtime TBD.

Code:

Dysole           Swarm
Airborne
                 Charos
Red Wyrm
                 Raelin 2.0
Red Wyrm
                 Kozuke Samurai
Red Wyrm
                 Black Wyrm
Red Wyrm
                 Black Wyrm
Black Wyrm
                 Black Wyrm
Black Wyrm
Black Wyrm
Brandis
Zettian Guards

~Dysole, who really wanted to take Eltahale but felt this gave her better odds

quozl · Nov 20, 2023

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Code:

Anubian Wolves x4	65/squad
Marro Dividers x4	55/squad
Dumutef Guard x6	15/figure
Eldgrim 		35
Evar Scarcarver		95
Greater Ice Elemental	100
Jorhdawn		100
Kaemon Awa		135
Major Q10		170
Migol Ironwill		95
Runa			100
Sir Dupuis		85
Tarn Viking Warriors	45
Valguard		95
Zelrig			190

OGblaha struck Q10.

I took Kaemon Awa, Tarn Vikings, Vlagard, Sir Supuis, Migol, and 3x Dumutefs.

OG took Zelrig, Eldgrim, 4x Anubians, and 1 Dumutef.

Playing tonight.

ryguy266 · Nov 20, 2023

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Like quozl I’m also curious to know what script you used to generate these. Would be fun for home games.

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