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C3G Comics Guide and Theme Review

This ain't the garden of Eden
There ain't no angels above
And things ain't like what they used to be
And this ain't the summer of love


A new change has come upon this thread,
for it is...
The Summer of Villainy!!!

(The next couple months will focus on villains)​
 
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Victor von Doom aka Doctor Doom (Marvel Earth-616)
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The Ruler of Latveria
Doctor Doom (375)
Doctor Doom (Hasbro) (245)
Doctor Doom (Sorcerer) (345)


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RESULTS
C3G’s Comics Recommendations

BEST INTRODUCTION
Fantastic Four vol. 1 (Fantastic Four Epic Collection: The World's Greatest Comic Magazine)
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ICONIC/MUST READS
1 Vote
- Amazing Spider-Man (Vol 2) #50 “Doomed Affairs” (collected in Amazing Spider-Man Volume 4: The Life & Death of Spiders)
- Doctor Strange and Doctor Doom: Triumph and Torment
- Hickman’s run {Fantastic Four/FF/Avengers/New Avengers/Secret Wars} (collected in various trades)

~ Doom 2099
~ Marvel 1602
~ Marvel Universe Vs. The Avengers
~ Old Man Logan
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Favorite C3G Doctor Doom might be the in progress one LP is working on.

Still waiting for a good version of Doom on screen.
 
Doom 2099
Doctor Strange & Doctor Doom: Triumph & Torment
Hickman's Fantastic Four, FF, Avengers, New Avengers, and Secret Wars
 
THUNDERBOLTS
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Villains Redeemed
Atlas (270)
Jolt (80)
Meteorite (210)
Songbird (180)
Techno (150)


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RESULTS
C3G’s Comics Recommendations

BEST INTRODUCTION
- Thunderbolts vol. 1 (Thunderbolts Classic Vol 1 OR Omnibus)
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ICONIC/MUST READS
1 Vote
- New Thunderbolts (Avengers / Thunderbolts Vol. 2: Best Intentions)
- Dark Avengers (Dark Avengers by Brian Michael Bendis: The Complete Collection)
- Thunderbolts by Jeff Parker (Thunderbolts: Cage)

~ Old Man Hawkeye
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tldr recs:
Original Story (roughly Thunderbolts Classic vol. 1 & 2)
New Thunderbolts (strictly speaking, Avengers/Thunderbolts, New Thunderbolts, and then Thunderbolts #100-109)
Dark Avengers (complete run by Brian Michael Bendis, Dark Avengers #1-16)
Jeff Parker's run (Thunderbolts #144 - Dark Avengers #190)

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In terms of the designs I think Meteorite and Songbird are pretty clearly the crowd favorites. Always very happy with how Citizen V turned out myself though.
 
Geez, didn’t even mention the recent Devil’s Reign tie-in that was Thunderbolts but called Villains For Hire for some reason. How do we even know you’re a Thunderbolts fan? :p

Great overview!
 
I did hear about that one! I was on a lil break from comics when it came out though, so I haven't read it yet. :lol:
 
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tldr recs:
Original Story (roughly Thunderbolts Classic vol. 1 & 2)
New Thunderbolts (strictly speaking, Avengers/Thunderbolts, New Thunderbolts, and then Thunderbolts #100-109)
Dark Avengers (complete run by Brian Michael Bendis, Dark Avengers #1-16)
Jeff Parker's run (Thunderbolts #144 - Dark Avengers #190)

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In terms of the designs I think Meteorite and Songbird are pretty clearly the crowd favorites. Always very happy with how Citizen V turned out myself though.

Awesome recs Ronin, love the enthusiasm!
 
For Doom, I'll just say his debut in the original Fantastic Four books. He's as maniacal and menacing as any arch-villain could hope to be. He's also always carving some sort of empire out for himself, concocting sinister plans, or exploiting every weakness no matter what reality's Doom we encounter; Marvel 1602, Old Man Logan, Marvel Universe Vs. The Avengers.

Thunderbolts had a cool arc in Old Man Hawkeye, definitely worth reading. I hope to get to their debut run at some point, I'm sure it's good.

edit: favorite designs go to 375 classic arch-villain Doom and Crime Fighter Songbird.
 
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Lex Luthor (Mainstream DC)
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Superman's Greatest Nemesis
Lex Luthor (100)
Lex Luthor (Battlesuit) (280)
Lex Luthor (Injustice League) (185)
Orange Lantern (350)


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RESULTS
C3G’s Comics Recommendations

BEST INTRODUCTION
Superman: The Black Ring (Vol. 1)
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ICONIC/MUST READS
1 Vote
- Doomsday Clock
- Forever Evil

~ All-Star Superman
~ DCAU
~ Kingdom Come
~ Superman: Red Son
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Lex is a great character in a couple of my favorite Superman stories. All-Star Superman and Red Son both showcase why Lex will always be Supes' #1 foe. Lex also shines in the N52 Forever Evil series - he becomes a JL member following that, which is a really fun direction for the character.
 
For Luthor I'd recommend Kingdom Come (where he approaches his most insidious), Doomsday Clock, and of course the DCAU. Watching him build through Superman: The Animated Series as the always behind the scenes, shielded by wealth villain and then he finally busts out into full villainy in Justice League is worth the payoff.

I love the Legion of Doom Luthor, he's probably my go to villain team leader now, where Cap I is the heroes leader.

Can't think of any future designs, maybe some wacky authoritarian one where he was the President.
 
SUICIDE SQUAD
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Task Force X
Amanda Waller (195)
Bronze Tiger (210)
Deadshot (150)
King Shark (220)
Nemesis (125)
Nightshade (225)
Rick Flag Jr. (105)


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RESULTS
C3G’s Comics Recommendations

BEST INTRODUCTION
- Suicide Squad vol. 1 by John Ostrander (Vol. 1: Trial by Fire)
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ICONIC/MUST READS
2 Votes
~ The Suicide Squad (film)

1 Vote
- Suicide Squad vol. 6 (Suicide Squad: Bad Blood)
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The OG (well, OG of the modern "criminals as government pawns" version anyways) John Ostrander run is the best and only here IMO.

Any follow ups reboots adaptions (including stuff by Ostrander himself) is but a pale imitation
 
I like the most recent movie. Rick Flag gets my nod as best piece in the faction.
 
I'll definitely second the original 80s run. I really enjoyed the 2019-2020 run as well, I've realized I'll read pretty much anything Tom Taylor writes. I also liked the newer The Suicide Squad film.

Amanda Waller is one of my favorite designs in general.

Enchantress is probably the big one yet to be released. The recent movie highlighted some characters I've seen some cool public designs for: Bloodsport, Peacemaker, Ratcatcher, Polka-Dot Man. I'm also thinking of writing some stuff up for Wink and The Aerie at some point.
 
Yeah, we need more sanctum Suicide Squad designs to get done so I can get Enchantress out to y'all.
 
Eddie Brock aka Venom (Marvel Earth-616)
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Lethal Protector
Anti-Venom (260)
Venom (230)
Venom (Hasbro) (150)
Venom (II) (240)


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RESULTS
C3G’s Comics Recommendations

BEST INTRODUCTION
- Venom by Mike Costa (Homecoming)
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ICONIC/MUST READS
1 Vote
- debut (Venom Epic Collection: Symbiosis)
- Venom: Lethal Protector
- Venom: The Hunger (Venom: Along Came a Spider)
- Venom: The Hunted/"Rad Eddie" (Venom: Along Came a Spider)
- Venom by Donny Cates (Rex)
- Venom by Rick Remender (Venom By Remender Complete Collection Vol. 1)
- Venom vs. Carnage
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For Eddie Brock, the classic Venom, I don't think I can think of a standout run, but it would probably be fun reading through a few issues leading up to him bonding with the symbiote and Venom's first encounters with Peter Parker.

The symbiote first appeared in Amazing Spider-Man #252 (the cover being an homage to Spidey's debut except now he's in the black suit). Peter found it in some high-tech, spacey, future facility during the first Secret Wars (issue #8 ), thinking it was just a normal suit. Reed Richards tells him it's alive and removes the symbiote a few issues later in ASM #258 (These are collected in Birth of Venom TP).
Later the suit escapes and tries to forcibly bond with Parker, giving us the iconic church bell scene in Web of Spider-Man #1.

After that Spidey swings around for a couple years in our time, before Eddie Brock enters his life and we get Venom's big debut in Amazing Spider-Man #300 (collected in Venom Epic Collection: Symbiosis). Eddie and the Venom symbiote try to get revenge against Spidey for awhile, they were on a desert island for some reason, they go all anti-hero in Lethal Protector, and there are also the hijinks that lead to Carnage.

We see the debut of Toxin and a Spidey/Venom team-up in Venom vs. Carnage which was a story I remember liking. The suit skips around for awhile with different hosts after Eddie eventually rejected the suit. The Agent Venom comics with Flash are great, but that's for a later guide. The symbiote and Eddie finally reunited in Venom: Homecoming and are now up to various symbiote related shenanigans.

Didn't care too much for the movie one way or the other, but I have friends who loved it. Still gotta see the second one.

I like the 230pt best, but wanna try Lethal Protector with an Occult Batman build at some point.

Can't think of more Eddie Venom stuff. I'm sure there's a lot going on the past few years with the symbiotes, but I'm not caught up.
 
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