Bishop

[Arch-vile]

Energy Absorb is a reuse from Damage, so it will need to be renamed with the effect being changed.

yea

 

[TrueX.S.E.]

This passes

Thanks for the reminder, I'll add an asterisk to the name for now and think something up later, as I assume we won't want to change Damage to match.

 

[IAmBatman]

Energy Conduit? Energy Build Up?

 

[Ericth74]

C3G STANDARD PLAYTEST FEEDBACK FORM

NAME OF THE PLAYTEST UNIT: Bishop

Version tested:

Spoiler Alert!

NAME = BISHOP
IDENTITY = LUCAS BISHOP

UNIQUENESS = UNIQUE HERO
SPECIES = MUTANT
CLASS = LAWMAN
PERSONALITY = TENACIOUS

SIZE/HEIGHT = MEDIUM 5

LIFE = 5

MOVE = 5
RANGE = 6
ATTACK = 4
DEFENSE = 5

POINTS = 190

X.S.E. FIELD COMMANDER
If Bishop has a revealed Order Marker on this card, Mutant and Lawman allies have +1 Move and +1 Attack during their first activation this round.

ENERGY CONVERSION
If Bishop has 1+ shields when defending against a non-adjacent attack, he ignores all wounds. After combat when defending, place 1 Energy Marker on this card, to a max of 3.

CONCUSSIVE BLAST SPECIAL ATTACK
Range 5. Attack 3.
This ability has +1 Attack for each Energy Marker on this card. After attacking with this ability, you may remove an Energy Marker from this card to attack again with this attack action.

FACTION = X-MEN
PUBLISHER = MARVEL
KEYWORDS =
SYMBOLS =

Army Test
Map: Cell Games Arena
Units: 995 – Bishop 190, Magneto 320, Mystique 200, Sabretooth 280, Fighting Chance 5 VS Kingpin 200, Wrecking Crew 800

Spoiler Alert!

Magneto and Bishop took it right to Bulldozer and took him out before he could get an attack. Sabretooth put a couple of wounds on Thunderball but fell to a 3 figure turn by the rest of the Crew. Bishop gained 2 markers and used his SA once doing 2 wounds to Thunderball. Wrecker and Piledriver took Bishop out. Magneto did a great job of tossing figures before they could get too close. Sabretooth and Magneto both used Bishop's power boosted.

Who won? List figures remaining in the winning army (include life remaining for heroes): Mystique full 5 life, Magneto 3 wounds/3 life left

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Army Test
Map: Cell Games Arena
Units: 995 – Bishop 190, Magneto 320, Mystique 200, Sabretooth 280, Fighting Chance 5 VS 1000 pts – JLA Trinty

Spoiler Alert!

Magneto rolled really hot, never missing on a toss. He did 4 wounds on Superman with it and 2 wounds on Wonder Woman. The key moment was Sabretooth putting 4 wounds on Wonder Woman and Superman failing to Rescue, then Mags tossed her twice to finish her off. Superman put 6 wounds on Sabretooth but Batman failed to put the final wound on him. Next turn Sabretooth put 2 wounds on Superman and Mags tossed him twice for another 2 wounds. Superman defeated Sabretooth after that but he was still in Mags range. Bishop used his SA with 2 markers on it to do a wound to Sups and Mags tossed him again to defeat him. Bishop defeated Batman with a double SA.

Who won? List figures remaining in the winning army (include life remaining for heroes): Magneto full 6 life, Mystique full 5 life

GENERAL THOUGHTS ON THE TESTED UNIT: Two good wins for the mutants but in both games Mags rolled really well and Sabretooth did a bunch of damage too. Both figures benefited from Bishops move and attack boost. Bishop was able to use his SA in both games with more success in game 2. Energy Conversion only needing 1 shield with 5 defense pretty much makes him immune to range. I only bothered attacking him once from range because of that. I wonder if it should be limited to non-adjacent normal attacks? Other than that his stats and points seems fine. His 2 big wins had less to do with him and more to do with hot dice.

 

[TrueX.S.E.]

What are other people's thoughts here? I would like to hear some more opinions, especially from anyone familiar with the 1.0 design.

Before I can get around to my Bishop test I have a playtest I am planning on at least getting partially done tonight. Given my usual turn around on things it'll probably be a week before I get that in at the earliest, especially since I am in the midst of moving.

 

[IAmBatman]

I'd be fine either way on carving out special attacks as a vulnerability in the ranged defensive ability. The big thing for me compared to the 1.0 version is he actually charges markers consistently now, which I like.

Make sure to link playtests to the OP!

 

[Ericth74]

Definitely an improvement

 

[MrNobody]

I can offer a non-thought and say I have no real opinion! Probably worth letting your tests be the final determinative factor.

 

[Skinderella]

5 Defense is fairly high for a 1 block negates all effect, so I could see changing it to non-adjacent normal attacks. It would incentivize enemies attacking him at range to charge you up a bit more, which you aren't going to get if he's blocking anything ranged. But yeah, I'd say see how you feel after your tests!

 

[TrueX.S.E.]

NAME = BISHOP
IDENTITY = LUCAS BISHOP

UNIQUENESS = UNIQUE HERO
SPECIES = MUTANT
CLASS = LAWMAN
PERSONALITY = TENACIOUS

SIZE/HEIGHT = MEDIUM 5

LIFE = 5

MOVE = 5
RANGE = 6
ATTACK = 4
DEFENSE = 5

POINTS = 190

X.S.E. FIELD COMMANDER
If Bishop has a revealed Order Marker on this card, Mutant and Lawman allies have +1 Move and +1 Attack during their first activation this round.

ENERGY CONVERSION
If Bishop has 1+ shields when defending against a non-adjacent attack, he ignores all wounds. After combat when defending, place 1 Energy Marker on this card, to a max of 3.

CONCUSSIVE BLAST SPECIAL ATTACK
Range 5. Attack 3.
This ability has +1 Attack for each Energy Marker on this card. After attacking with this ability, you may remove an Energy Marker from this card to attack again with this attack action.

FACTION = X-MEN
PUBLISHER = MARVEL
KEYWORDS =
SYMBOLS =

NAME OF THE PLAYTEST UNIT: Bishop

Map: City Park
Units: Armor (100) Banshee (160) Bishop (190) Emma Frost (220) Jubilee (60) Wolverine (270)(1000) Vs. Fantastic Four (1000)

Spoiler Alert!

Round 1: X-Men (Blue)
B1: Bishop moves. Jubilee moves and uses Fireworks Special Attack (nonadjacent) on Bishop. 1 wound and Bishop gains 1 Energy Marker. Jubilee uses Fireworks Special Attack on Bishop again. No wounds and Bishop gains an Energy Marker.
R1: Mr. Fantastic moves.
B2: Wolverine and Armor move.
R2: Thing moves.
B3: Emma Frost and Jubilee move.
B3: Fantastic Four move.

Round 2: Fantastic Four (Red)
R1: Human Torch and Mister Fantastic move.
B1: Bishop moves and attacks Mister Fantastic. 2 wounds. Armor moves and attacks Mister Fantastic. No wounds.
R2: Thing moves and attacks Armor. No wounds. Mister Fantastic attacks Armor. 2 wounds.
B2: Wolverine and Jubilee move. Jubilee uses Fireworks Special Attack on Mister Fantastic. No wounds. Invisible Woman moves. Human Torch moves and attacks Armor. No wounds. Thing attacks Armor. No wounds. Mister Fantastic attacks Armor. No wounds.
R3: Banshee moves and skips his attack action. Armor attacks Mister Fantastic. No wounds.
B3: Human Torch moves and uses Flame On on Banshee, Wolverine, and Bishop. Human Torch takes 3 wounds from swipes and Banshee and Bishop take 2 wounds each, Wolverine takes 1 wound. Human Torch attacks Bishop (adjacent). No wounds and Bishop gains an Energy Marker. Mister Fantastic attacks Armor. No wounds.

Round 3: Fantastic Four (Red)
R1: Human Torch uses Flame On on Banshee, Wolverine, and Bishop. Human Torch takes 1 wound from swipes, Banshee and Bishop are defeated and Wolverine takes no wounds. Wolverine uses Adamantium Flurry on Human Torch. Human Torch is defeated. Mister Fantastic attacks Armor. No wounds.
B1: Wolverine moves and attacks Mister Fantastic. 2 wounds. Armor attacks Mister Fantastic. No wounds.
R2: Thing moves and attacks Wolverine. 1 wound. Thing attacks again. 1 wound. Mister Fantastic moves. Wolverine maneuvers.
B2: Wolverine moves and attacks Invisible Woman. No wounds. Jubilee uses Fireworks Special Attack on Thing. No wounds.
R3: Thing moves and takes 1 wound from swipes. Thing attacks Wolverine. 2 wounds. Mister Fantastic attacks Wolverine. No wounds.
B3: Wolverine uses Adamantium Flurry on Mister Fantastic. Mister Fantastic is defeated. Armor moves and attacks Invisible Woman. No wounds.

Round 4: X-Men (Blue)
B1: Wolverine uses Adamantium Flurry on Invisible Woman. 2 wounds. Armor moves and attacks invisible Woman. 2 wounds.
R1: Thing attacks Wolverine. Wolverine is defeated.
B2: Wolverine is defeated.
R2: Thing moves and attacks Armor. Armor is defeated.
B3: Emma Frost and Jubilee move.
R3: Thing moves.

Round 5: Fantastic Four (Red)
R1: Thing moves and attacks Jubilee. No wounds.
B1: Emma Frost attacks Thing. 1 wound. Jubilee uses Fireworks Special Attack on Thing. No wounds.
R2: Invisible Woman moves and attacks Emma Frost. Emma flips, no wounds.
B2: Emma Frost moves and attacks Invisible Woman. No wounds. Jubilee uses Fireworks Special Attack on Thing. No wounds.
R3: Thing moves and attacks Emma Frost. 1 wound. Thing attacks again. 1 wound.
B3: Emma Frost attacks Invisible Woman. Invisible Woman is defeated. Jubilee moves and uses Fireworks Special Attack on Thing. No wounds.

Round 6: X-Men (Blue)
B1: Emma Frost attacks Thing. 3 wounds. Jubilee uses Fireworks Special Attack on Thing. No wounds.
R1: Thing attacks Emma Frost. 1 wound.
B2: Emma Frost attacks Thing. Thing is defeated.

Winners: Emma Frost with 3 wounds and Jubilee with no wounds.

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Map: Cell Games Arena
Units: X-Men First Class (1000) Vs. X-Men 90s Kids(1000)

Spoiler Alert!

Round 1: 90s Kids (Red)
R1: Bishop moves. Jubilee uses Fireworks Special Attack (nonadjacent) on Bishop. No wounds and Bishop gains an Energy marker. Jubilee uses Fireworks Special Attack on Bishop on Bishop again. No wounds and Bishop gains an Energy Marker.
B1: Angel and Beast move.
R2: Wolverine and Armor move.
B2: Cyclops and Iceman move.
R3: Emma Frost and Jubilee move.
B3: Cyclops and Marvel Girl move.

Round 2: 60s Kids (Blue)
B1: Angel and Iceman move. Iceman uses Deep Freeze Special Attack on Wolverine. Emma Frost uses Psychic Surgery and Wolverine takes 2 wounds and the 2 Order Marker is removed from his card.
R1: Bishop moves and uses Concussive Blast Special Attack on Cyclops. 2 wounds. Armor moves and attacks Cyclops. No wounds.
B2: Beast moves and attacks Armor. No wounds. Beast moves and attacks Armor again. No wounds. Iceman moves and uses Deep Freeze Special Attack on Emma Frost. Emma Frost flips, and takes 1 wound. The 3 order marker is removed from Emma Frost.
R2: The 2 Order Marker is not on a card.
B3: Marvel Girl uses Telekinesis on Armor. Armor is moved. Marvel Girl attacks (nonadjacent) Bishop. No wounds and Bishop gains an Energy Marker. Beast moves and attacks (adjacent) Bishop. 1 wound. Beast moves and attacks again. 1 wound.
R3: The 3 Order Marker is not on a card.

Round 3: 90s Kids (Red)
R1: Bishop uses Concussive Blast Special Attack on Beast. Bishop removes an Energy Marker and attacks Beast again. 1 wound. Armor moves and attacks Professor X. No wounds.
B1: Marvel Girl uses Telekinesis on Armor. It fails. Marvel Girl attacks Armor. No wounds. Iceman moves and uses Deep Freeze Special Attack on Wolverine. 2 wounds.
R2: Wolverine moves and attacks Iceman. Professor X uses Psychic Defense X.
B2: Marvel Girl uses Telekinesis on Armor. It fails. Marvel Girl attacks Armor. No wounds. Beast attacks Bishop. Bishop is defeated. Beast moves and attacks Wolverine. 1 wound.
R3: Emma Frost moves and attacks Iceman. 2 wounds. Armor attacks Professor X. 1 wound.
B3: Beast attacks Wolverine. Wolverine is defeated. Beast moves and attacks Emma Frost. 1 wound. Marvel Girl moves and uses Telekinesis on Armor. Armor is moved. Marvel Girl attacks Armor. 2 wounds.

Round 4: 90s Kids (Red)
R1: Emma Frost moves and attacks Iceman. Professor X uses Psychic Defense X.
B1: Marvel Girl uses Telekinesis on Emma Frost. Emma Frost is moved and wounded. Marvel Girl attacks Armor. No wounds. Iceman uses Deep Freeze Special Attack on Emma Frost. No wounds.
R2: Emma Frost moves and attacks Iceman. Iceman is defeated. Armor moves and attacks Marvel Girl. No wounds.
B2: Beast attacks Emma Frost. No wounds. Beast moves and attacks again. 1 wound. Marvel Girl uses Telekinesis on Emma Frost. It fails. Marvel Girl attacks Armor. Armor is defeated.
R3: Emma Frost moves and attacks Beast. No wounds. Jubilee moves and uses Fireworks Special attack on Beast. No wounds.
B3: Beast attacks Emma Frost. No wounds. Beast moves and attacks again. Emma Frost is defeated.

Round 5: 90s Kids (Red)
R1: Banshee moves and uses Sonic Scream Special Attack on Beast. 1 wound. Jubilee uses Fireworks Special Attack on Beast. No wounds.
B1: Beast moves and attacks Banshee. No wounds. Beast moves and attacks again. 3 wounds. Marvel Girl moves and uses Telekinesis on Banshee. It fails. Marvel Girl attacks Banshee. Banshee is defeated.
R2: Banshee is defeated.
B2: Beast moves and attacks Jubilee. No wounds. Beast moves and attacks again. Jubilee is defeated.

Winners: Beast with 3 wounds, Cyclops with 2 wounds, Professor X with 1 wound, and Angel and Marvel Girl with no wounds.

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THOUGHTS ON THE TESTED UNIT'S COST, BALANCE, & DRAFTABILITY: I can safely say Bishop doesn’t feel overcosted and might even be a little high. I think Bishop is in an excellent spot; he feels much more consistently rewarding to use, and feels like he brings a lot more to the team with his mutant and lawman buffs, though he did lose out on some flexible positioning from 1.0. Speaking of those buffs, I think he has plenty of draft options open to him just via mutant factions, let alone any future lawmen options that might arise.

GENERAL THOUGHTS ON THE TESTED UNIT:
Bishop is pretty much where I wanted him. He feels pretty good on a mutant team thanks to his buff, and with the changes that Bats helped workshop, his Absorption powers feel much better to play with. I know there were concerns about the single shield blocking all hits at range, both from special and regular attacks, but I feel there are plenty of counterplay options from using autowound abilities to just positioning units adjacent to Bishop. I don’t think that it was ever too much of an issue in 1.0, where he could pop onto the map into some hard to reach areas as well, and it didn’t really come up as a problem in my testing. One time, Marvel Girl threw an attack at range, but that was done more because she could rather than had to. I still feel like it’s not necessary to nerf Bishop, especially when his 1.0 ability mate is running around with the same leve

 

[IAmBatman]

Looking good!

 

[TrueX.S.E.]

Based on the tests, how do we feel about the Points; keeping it where it's at or going down by 10 maybe? It's the only thing I feel we need to look at before moving on.

 

[IAmBatman]

Seems good where he's at to me

 

[TrueX.S.E.]

Sounds good enough for me, moving to Final Editing

 

[Skinderella]

Yea

 

[Ericth74]

ywa

 

[MrNobody]

Yea

 

[IAmBatman]

yea

 

[Arch-vile]

yea

 

[TrueX.S.E.]

Passes

 

[Arch-vile]

Wording suggestions. The additional attack's timing needs to be "after combat", as "after attacking" is after rolling attack dice but before defense dice are rolled.

X.S.E. FIELD COMMANDER
If there are 1+ revealed Order Markers on this card, Mutant and Lawman allies have +1 Move and +1 Attack during their first activation this round.

CONCUSSIVE BLAST SPECIAL ATTACK
Range 5. Attack 3.
This ability has +1 Attack for each Energy Marker on this card. After combat, Bishop may remove an Energy Marker from this card to attack again with this attack action.

ENERGY CONVERSION
If Bishop has 1+ shields when defending against a non-adjacent attack, he ignores all wounds. After combat when defending, place 1 Energy Marker on this card, to a max of 3.

 

[TrueX.S.E.]

I think we're ready for art; that was probably plenty of time after Arch's suggested changes for anyone else to chime in.

 

[Ronin]

Signed myself up to get the art.

 

[Ronin]

Any particular requests for the card? @TrueX.S.E.

 

[TrueX.S.E.]

Any particular requests for the card? @TrueX.S.E.

I would just prefer arts using the XSE uniform. Here's a couple I like for examples. Things like these or the first appearance cover for another example.