Shredder

[Ericth74]

Shredder (Oroku Saki)



Card PDF

NAME = SHREDDER
IDENTITY = OROKU SAKI

UNIQUENESS = UNIQUE HERO
SPECIES = HUMAN
CLASS = NINJA
PERSONALITY = ARROGANT

SIZE/HEIGHT = MEDIUM 5

LIFE = 5

MOVE = 6
RANGE = 1
ATTACK = 5
DEFENSE = 6

POINTS = 250

UNLEASH THE FOOT
Ninja and figures with the Mutagen keyword on your team are added to the Foot Clan faction. At the start of your turn, you may move 1 unrevealed Order Marker from this card to any other card on your team. After an ordered activation with a Unique Hero in the Foot Clan, you may maneuver up to 2 Unique Foot Clan figures you control that have not moved previously this turn up to 4 spaces each.

RUTHLESS BARRAGE SPECIAL ATTACK
Range 1. Attack 4.
Instead of Shredder's move through attack phases, he may maneuver up to 6 spaces. Shredder may attack up to 2 times with this special attack at any point during the maneuver. Defenders with 2 or fewer Life remaining have -2 Defense.

KNIFE IN THE DARK
At the end of your turn, you may roll 1 damage die against an enemy adjacent to 2+ Foot Clan members on your team.

FACTION = FOOT CLAN
PUBLISHER = IDW
KEYWORDS = N/A
SYMBOLS = N/A

WORLDS COLLIDE: Shredder is the ruthless and cunning leader of the Foot Clan, a criminal organization bent on taking over the city. Armed with razor-sharp blades and deadly martial arts skills, he poses a constant threat to the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles and their quest to protect the citizens of New York City.

Resources and Rulings

• The suggested figure for this unit is a Heroclix figure: TEENAGE MUTANT NINJA TURTLES: HEROES IN A HALF SHELL #018 / Shredder

Credits

• Legacy design: Quozl
• Playtesters:
  • Ericth74 - Initial
  • IAmBatman Test 1 - After changes
  • Ericth74 - New changes
  • MrNobody
  • IAmBatman
• Card art: japes
• Comic creators: Kevin Eastman and Peter Laird

Updates

• N/A

[IAmBatman]

Hmm, so what's the big picture thinking here? Do we have any idea what the Foot are going to look like or how we're going to make builds with him, the Foot, and BeBop and Rocksteady that are cohesive or add up to desirable point totals?

Without knowing the specific plans, my first inclinations are:

1. Make Shredder 250 and the Foot Clan 150. Then BeBop, Rocksteady, Shredder, and Foot Clan = 1000, they equal 750 without Shredder, and they equal 850 without the Foot. Turtles are 700 right now, or 750 with April. If we can get Splinter at 250 and Casey at 150, that gives Turtles builds at 750, 850, and 1000 as well.

2. Make Antagonizing Presence better with his own guys somehow? Right now it synergizes him with Wise figures the best. I know that's meant to give Splinter a counter, but right now it makes Splinter a better partner to him than BeBop or Rocksteady. I'm cool leaving in the Wise bit, but wouldn't mind the attack boost only happening to his side or happening better with his side. Right now he either works best with Splinter as an ally or works better for the opponent than himself, IMO.

3. Light touch but I'd love to at least open Unleash the Foot to the whole faction, not just the squaddies. That way BeBop and Rocksteady can get use out of it and feel like a reasonable part of the team with Shredder, especially if the Foot do something to bind Splinter and them together more.

[Lord Pyre]

Yeah being able to move Bebop and Rocksteady here would be sweet.

And personally, I think it'd be fun to add a "this figure can't have its defense reduced" line onto the Too Dumb to Fall power on Bebop and Rocksteady, giving them soft synergy.

[MrNobody]

I feel pretty satisfied with this take on the Foot, and would be happy to go forward with it!

Definitely support Shredder at 250.

Light touch but I'd love to at least open Unleash the Foot to the whole faction, not just the squaddies. That way BeBop and Rocksteady can get use out of it and feel like a reasonable part of the team with Shredder, especially if the Foot do something to bind Splinter and them together more.

This could be cool...

UNLEASH THE FOOT
Unique Allied Ninjas are added to the Foot Clan faction. Instead of an attack action with Shredder you may maneuver up to 4 Ninjas you control up to 4 spaces each. Then, for each moved Ninja, you may roll an unblockable attack die against a figure adjacent to it. The same figure may not be targeted more than once.

And personally, I think it'd be fun to add a "this figure can't have its defense reduced" line onto the Too Dumb to Fall power on Bebop and Rocksteady, giving them soft synergy.

We talked about adding something like that on the Ninjas and people felt like it defeated the point of Shredder's thing? I don't personally feel strongly about that either way.

[Lord Pyre]

I dunno, I think building your army around negatives is just good synergy, personally. And it fits the theme of being too dumb to die. Maybe just me.

[IAmBatman]

I'm into that idea, LP. It probably wouldn't come up that often, but could be a neat little bit when it does.

Originally Posted by MrNobody

This could be cool...

I guess I'm confused by this suggestion as a response to mine ... is the goal for Shredder to make a cohesive team with Bebop and Rocksteady (two Enforcers in his same faction) or for him to make a cohesive team with the TMNT and Splinter? Cuz it seems like mechanics for the latter are being pushed rather than for the former for some reason?

[MrNobody]

Originally Posted by IAmBatman

I guess I'm confused by this suggestion as a response to mine ... is the goal for Shredder to make a cohesive team with Bebop and Rocksteady (two Enforcers in his same faction) or for him to make a cohesive team with the TMNT and Splinter? Cuz it seems like mechanics for the latter are being pushed rather than for the former for some reason?

I think it...
1) Lets Shredder choose B&R, yup.
2) Lets Shredder choose himself, which feels good for this kinda character, IMO.
3) And yes, lets him expand in playability a bit beyond his ~5 card faction.

[IAmBatman]

I'm confused. Are we talking about the version of Unleash the Foot posted above? That one adds Ninja to the faction and then moves Ninja and rolls unblockables for Ninja ... Bebop and Rocksteady are Enforcers. Shredder is a Mastermind. Did you mean to write the ability differently?

[Yodaking]

I like Nobody's idea of adding Ninja to the Foot Clan, but then I'd just have the power move Foot Clan figures rather than Ninja specifically. That way Beebop & Rocksteady can be moved like Bats suggested. 4 damage dice sounds pretty strong, averaging 2 auto-wounds per use is a really efficient attack. I'd at least make the trade his full attack phase so he can't trade an attack action he received for free some how.

I'd also be in favor of Bat's #2 point. How do others feel about changing the aura to re-rolls (skulls when attacking, shields when defending) instead of the stat boost? It would let the Foot Clan Ninja have a more respectable attack when not played with Shredder, while still getting a similar effect. Everyone around him would roll more skulls and less shields.

Then to LP's idea, when Too Dumb To Fall triggers, it could prevent them from re-rolling dice when attacking/defensing for the rest of the round.

[Yodaking]

Originally Posted by MrNobody

I think it...
1) Lets Shredder choose B&R, yup.
2) Lets Shredder choose himself, which feels good for this kinda character, IMO.
3) And yes, lets him expand in playability a bit beyond his ~5 card faction.

I'm missing something, how does this part work?

[MrNobody]

OH I see. Yeah that was just a dumb mistake on my part. This...

Originally Posted by Yodaking

I like Nobody's idea of adding Ninja to the Foot Clan, but then I'd just have the power move Foot Clan figures rather than Ninja specifically.

...was my intent. Sorry!

[japes]

Originally Posted by Yodaking

I like Nobody's idea of adding Ninja to the Foot Clan, but then I'd just have the power move Foot Clan figures rather than Ninja specifically. That way Beebop & Rocksteady can be moved like Bats suggested. 4 damage dice sounds pretty strong, averaging 2 auto-wounds per use is a really efficient attack. I'd at least make the trade his full attack phase so he can't trade an attack action he received for free some how.

Could make it roll damage die if 2+ figures are adjacent to a figure. So let’s you move four figures up and possibly get 2 damage die and also works if only shredder and one ninja is left as that ninja could engage a figure engaged to shredder…feels more bully like.