Thing (Ben Grimm) (Fantastic Four)

[japes]

Thing (Ben Grimm)



Card PDF

NAME = THING
IDENTITY = BEN GRIMM

UNIQUENESS = UNIQUE HERO
SPECIES = MUTATE
CLASS = ADVENTURER
PERSONALITY = GRUFF

SIZE/HEIGHT = MEDIUM 5

LIFE = 6

MOVE = 5
RANGE = 1
ATTACK = 6
DEFENSE = 6

POINTS = 325

CLOBBERIN' TIME
Before Thing’s attack phase, you may choose an allied Adventurer Hero within 4 clear spaces. Thing has +1 Attack for each wound the chosen figure has. If Thing adds at least 4 to his Attack this way, he may attack twice per normal attack action.

ROCK WALL DEFENSE 4
If Thing has 4+ shields while defending against an adjacent normal attack, Thing ignores all wounds and inflicts 1 wound on the attacker.

FACTION = FANTASTIC FOUR
KEYWORDS =
SYMBOLS = HEAT RESISTANCE, SUPER STRENGTH

WORLDS COLLIDE: Gruff and gung-ho Ben Grimm rocks the Marvel Universe as the rocky Thing, a powerhouse with a heart of gold and the backbone of the Fantastic Four

Resources and Rulings

• The suggested figure for this unit is a Heroclix figure: Fantastic Forces #076-078 / The Thing, #206 / Ben Grimm
• See this card's wiki page for synergies and strategies!

Credits

• Legacy design: Griffin
• Card art: Arkham
• Comic creators: Jack Kirby and Stan Lee

Updates

• N/A

[IAmBatman]

Looks good overall here.

I'll float the idea of Pilot as a keyword one more time, just to check for any interest.

Worth noting that it's Griffin, not Griffen, just before you do too many of these with the other spelling!

CLOBBERIN' TIME
Before The Thing’s Attack Phase, you may choose an allied Adventurer or Scientist Hero within 4 clear sight spaces of him and add 1 to his Attack Number for each wound on the chosen figure has. If The Thing adds 4 to his Attack Number this way, he may take two Normal Attack Actions this activation.

Small changes I might make.

[japes]

Originally Posted by IAmBatman

Looks good overall here.

I'll float the idea of Pilot as a keyword one more time, just to check for any interest.

Worth noting that it's Griffin, not Griffen, just before you do too many of these with the other spelling!

CLOBBERIN' TIME
Before The Thing’s Attack Phase, you may choose an allied Adventurer or Scientist Hero within 4 clear sight spaces of him and add 1 to his Attack Number for each wound on the chosen figure has. If The Thing adds 4 to his Attack Number this way, he may take two Normal Attack Actions this activation.

Small changes I might make.

first part, no interest from me :P

second, ah thanks...looks like I did get it right in one of them at least.

third, no opinion there as I'm not completely sure what "clear" sight means going forward.

[japes]

Originally Posted by japes

second, ah thanks...looks like I did get it right in one of them at least.

um oops...no I didn't. You just already fixed it.

[Yodaking]

I'm in favor of the Pilot keyword being a thing. Just because Thing won't often want to be in a VDO due his power set here, he should still be able to fly a plane better than someone who wasn't a pilot.

[japes]

Originally Posted by Yodaking

I'm in favor of the Pilot keyword being a thing. Just because Thing won't often want to be in a VDO due his power set here, he should still be able to fly a plane better than someone who wasn't a pilot.

My comment was just a snarky comment because I think planes in Heroscape are dumb and Bat's knew where I was going. . But that's just my opinion and I am not going to raise a fuss if people want it. It won't impact my enjoyment.

Just wanted to be clear that I'm not voting against him getting a Pilot tag.

[Yodaking]

Oh, I wasn't in favor of adding planes myself but now they are here so I'm going to design accordingly.

[japes]

Any more comments here?

Particularly the Clear sight thing Bats mentioned.

[MrNobody]

Wasn't Ronin concerned with having multiple attack actions vs. attacking multiple times per attack action? I see he's viewing the thread, so half-expecting to be ninja'd. (Or I could be trippin...)

[Ronin]

I didn't jump on this one as quickly because he's (surprisingly) way more of a thinker than the other two. Invokes phases and rolls and suchlike.

So like... definitely one where I expect some back and forth to nail things down.

CLOBBERIN' TIME
During The Thing’s attack phase, you may choose an allied Adventurer or Scientist within 4 clear sight spaces of him. This phase, The Thing has +1 Attack for each of that ally's wounds. If The Thing has +4 Attack from this ability, he may make two attacks per normal attack action.

First crack at this. Sketchy areas in blue.

1. I think the timing of the power is kinda questionable but it made sense to me that if you gave him just an attack phase he'd still be able to use it. So I put it as kind of a floating thing in the phase itself. Obviously if we didn't want that to ever be a thing you could change up the timing a bit. I think as-is it's less ambiguous than a "before the attack phase" trigger if we want him to get it if he ever got a just-attack-phase activation though.

2. You could define multi-attacks as more attacks per action or as more actions per phase. I've gravitated toward the former because, as I understand it, SAs are meant to work by multiple attacks per special attack action. That said, I guess characters that can mix normals and specials (Diamondback, etc.) do challenge that a bit.

On Rock Wall Defense 4...

I'm cool with "avoids" here. I think I've been going "does not take" but "avoids" gets there more quickly and scans well.

Do we want RWD4 to work if he rolls 4 shields, or if he ends up with 4 blocks in his results?

[Ronin]

Thoughts, feelings, concerns?

[MrNobody]

I do think you’re right that powers that grant you a normal and special attack within the same phase put some serious kinks in that system. It might be worth braking and looking at how we want to handle a typical multi-attack SA (and maybe like…a Queglix-style thing) in conjunction with this?