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Old November 12th, 2022, 04:50 PM
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Invisible Woman (Sue Storm)

Invisible Woman (Sue Storm)



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NAME = INVISIBLE WOMAN
IDENTITY = SUE STORM

UNIQUENESS = UNIQUE HERO
SPECIES = MUTATE
CLASS = ADVENTURER
PERSONALITY = COMPASSIONATE

SIZE/HEIGHT = MEDIUM 5

LIFE = 5

MOVE = 5
RANGE = 4
ATTACK = 3
DEFENSE = 4

POINTS = 215


FANTASTIC FORCE FIELD 4
Allies within 4 clear spaces of Invisible Woman have +2 Defense, or +4 Defense if they are Adventurers.

INVISIBILITY
Invisible Woman can move through all characters and is never in clear sight of enemies.

FACTION = FANTASTIC FOUR
PUBLISHER = MARVEL
KEYWORDS =
SYMBOLS = STEALTH, FLYING, SUPER STRENGTH
WORLDS COLLIDE: The formidable heroine Invisible Woman uses her powers of invisibility to protect Earth and acts as the leading maternal figure of the Fantastic Four.

Resources and Rulings
  • The suggested figure for this unit is a Heroclix figure: Fantastic Forces #074 / Invisible Woman
  • See this card's wiki page for synergies and strategies!
Credits
  • Legacy design: Griffin
  • Card art: Arkham
  • Comic creators: Jack Kirby and Stan Lee
Updates
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Would I want it to be everything I love...sure...but that's just not realistic so I'm going to focus on finding things that will make me unhappy and work on fixing those.

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Old November 12th, 2022, 04:52 PM
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Re: Invisible Woman (Susan Richards)

So other than wording it looks like we are defaulting her to 4 defense and taking herself out of the aura.

Also keywords and Symbols

we aren't adding to "defensive dice" or are we? questioning that wording.

Would I want it to be everything I love...sure...but that's just not realistic so I'm going to focus on finding things that will make me unhappy and work on fixing those.
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Old November 12th, 2022, 05:08 PM
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Re: Invisible Woman (Susan Richards)

FANTASTIC FORCE FIELD 4

I'd go more like:

Quote:
Allied Adventurers and Scientists within 4 clear spaces of Invisible Woman have +4 Defense. All other allies within 4 clear spaces of Invisible Woman have +2 Defense.

or

Allies within 4 clear spaces of Invisible Woman have +2 Defense, or +4 Defense if they are Adventurers or Scientists.
INVISIBILITY

The "allied and enemy" distinction is trying to rule out her moving through objects? Seems like a good goal, invisibility shouldn't let you get through a castle door or whatever. I'd be tempted to go:

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Invisible Woman can move through all characters and is never in clear sight of enemy figures.
I haven't gotten group consensus on using "characters" like that, but it seems like a fairly easy short hand for "figures excluding objects". Alternatively it might be cleaner to do like... "Hero and Squad" figures vs "allied and enemy"?
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Old November 12th, 2022, 05:12 PM
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Re: Invisible Woman (Susan Richards)

Oh, I think the personality is worth considering here: Merciful doesn't stick out as a problematic one, but we should do our due diligence and make sure we have an idea of how widely-used it'll be.

And as one last little thing, I'd actually go Sue Storm for the SI over Susan Richards. I get that Richards is period-accurate but Sue Storm is still the name that still sees use in a modern context, and tracks for every era of the character.
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Re: Invisible Woman (Susan Richards)

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Oh, I think the personality is worth considering here: Merciful doesn't stick out as a problematic one, but we should do our due diligence and make sure we have an idea of how widely-used it'll be.

And as one last little thing, I'd actually go Sue Storm for the SI over Susan Richards. I get that Richards is period-accurate but Sue Storm is still the name that still sees use in a modern context, and tracks for every era of the character.
I originally had Sue Storm but when I went to verify Original LD I saw it was Susan Richards. SO I'm pro Sue Storm

EDIT: I actually already had Sue Storm in the OP at the top.

Would I want it to be everything I love...sure...but that's just not realistic so I'm going to focus on finding things that will make me unhappy and work on fixing those.

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Re: Invisible Woman (Susan Richards)

Totally agreed on Sue Storm. I like the second wording that Ronin posted, much more concise and more intuitive for me.

There are 4 uses of Merciful right now: Jean Grey, Invisible Woman, Angel, and Jade. Seems okay to reuse in that context unless we'd like to consolidate into another personality.
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Re: Invisible Woman (Susan Richards)

so first thing is which do we prefer...


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A: Allied Adventurers and Scientists within 4 clear spaces of Invisible Woman have +4 Defense. All other allies within 4 clear spaces of Invisible Woman have +2 Defense.

or

B: Allies within 4 clear spaces of Invisible Woman have +2 Defense, or +4 Defense if they are Adventurers or Scientists.

and on this...

Quote:
INVISIBILITY

The "allied and enemy" distinction is trying to rule out her moving through objects? Seems like a good goal, invisibility shouldn't let you get through a castle door or whatever. I'd be tempted to go:

Quote:
Invisible Woman can move through all characters and is never in clear sight of enemy figures.
I haven't gotten group consensus on using "characters" like that, but it seems like a fairly easy short hand for "figures excluding objects". Alternatively it might be cleaner to do like... "Hero and Squad" figures vs "allied and enemy"?
so are we good with this (Yea or Nay)

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Invisible Woman can move through all characters and is never in clear sight of enemy figures.
I'm for B in the first and Yea for the second

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Re: Invisible Woman (Sue Storm)

B and yea for the second point
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Re: Invisible Woman (Sue Storm)

I really like the all-in-one format of the OP here and am excited about getting that aspect down in 2.0. Nice work, japes!

Catching up on the rest of the comments, but wanted to get that out first.

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Re: Invisible Woman (Sue Storm)

B (nice work on that, Ronin)
yea I'm into Characters as a term and need to remember to add it to the glossary at some point.

For personality, the other two that might be worth considering (and they have similarly short lists) are Benevolent and Compassionate.

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Re: Invisible Woman (Sue Storm)

Oh I like Compassionate! That scans better than Merciful to me. Merciful is more I want to strike you down but I'm choosing not to at this moment in my mind. compassionate though seems like a much better fit. I guess we need to look at what other figures are in those three personalities. at least one can probably be dropped. I could see an argument for keeping compassionate and either merciful or benevolent but not both of those.

Would I want it to be everything I love...sure...but that's just not realistic so I'm going to focus on finding things that will make me unhappy and work on fixing those.
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Re: Invisible Woman (Sue Storm)

Some personality breakdowns:

Benevolent
Red Tornado
Martian Manhunter (JL-I)
Martian Manhunter (JL-II)
Mantis
Gali

Compassionate
Dove
Indigo Lantern (Uncommon)
Indigo Lantern (Ray Palmer)
Indigo-1
Indigo-2

Merciful
Jade
Angel
Jean Grey

Selfless
Jocasta
Guardian of the Universe (Sayd)
Judge Hershey
Spider-Army Recruit (Uncommon)

(threw in Selfless, because I figure she usually puts the needs of the family over her own).

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