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The Book of Daimon Hellstrom

The Book of Daimon Hellstrom

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The figure used for this unit is a Heroclix figure from the Amazing Spider-Man set.
Its model number and name are #009 / Daimon Hellstrom.

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Character Bio - Daimon Hellstrom grew up not knowing the truth of his heritage. But around the time he came of age, his mother passed away, and left to him a diary of her experiences. The diary revealed that Daimon's father had been the devil himself. Or, as it would eventually turn out, a powerful demon known as Marduk Kurios impersonating Satan. Daimon was quickly contacted by his father, who had fathered him in an attempt to grow his own power. Kurios tried to sway Daimon to his side, but Daimon fought against him and stole from him a trident that could be used to amplify mystical energies.

Daimon has since been a stalwart protector of Earth, though his dark nature occasionally gets the better of him; he has been a member of both the Defenders and the Masters of Evil. He was also married to Patsy Walker for a time. His power has grown since he claimed his own realm of Hell to rule over.
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-Rulings and Clarifications-
  • Q: Does Daimon need to inflict a wound on the defending figure in order to use Darksoul?
    A: No, Daimon can use Darksoul after attacking a figure even if he did not inflict any wounds in the initial attack.
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-Combinations and Synergies-

Incoming Synergy:Outgoing Synergy:
  • When Daimon casts a Hellfire Spell instead of attacking, he may cast an additional Hellfire Spell. Current Hellfire Spells.
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-Immunities, Benefits, and Weaknesses-

Immunities:Benefits:Weaknesses:_________________________________________________________________

-Strategy, Tactics and Tips-
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Re: The Book of Daimon Hellstrom (Design Phase)

NAME = DAIMON HELLSTROM
SECRET IDENTITY =

SPECIES = HUMAN
UNIQUENESS = UNIQUE HERO
CLASS = HELL LORD
PERSONALITY = CONFLICTED

SIZE/HEIGHT = MEDIUM 5

LIFE = 5

MOVE = 5
RANGE = 5
ATTACK = 4
DEFENSE = 5

POINTS = 230


DARKSOUL
Daimon Hellstrom has the species of Demon in addition to what is listed on this card. After Daimon attacks a figure with his normal attack, you may place a Wound Marker on this card. If you do, the defending figure receives a wound.

NETHERANIUM TRIDENT
If Daimon casts a Hellfire Spell instead of attacking normally, he may immediately cast an additional Hellfire Spell.

MAGICAL DEFENSE
When Daimon is attacked by an opponent's figure that does not have the Magical Defense special power, the most wounds Daimon can take for this attack is one.

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Re: The Book of Daimon Hellstrom (Design Phase)

Comic Art:

Spoiler Alert!


Mini:
Spoiler Alert!


Background:

Something Hellish, presumably

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Re: The Book of Daimon Hellstrom (Design Phase)

A couple quick notes:

The hellfire spells previously gave immunity to Hell Lords, but I cut that in the latest draft because it felt a bit messy with the new Demon interactions. The removal of any kind of in-game effect for the Hell Lord class does make dual-classing him seem a little less necessary, but I do still like it for thematic reasons.

There's a bit of play in terms of a workable thematic cost; I think anywhere in the 200-250 range should be fine for him. I like erring on the low side to leave room for spells.

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Shouldn't we test and price the spells before testing the figure?

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Re: The Book of Daimon Hellstrom (Design Phase)

I like it!

For the Darksoul wounding bit, can he only inflict the extra wound if he's already dealing wounds with that attack, or can he use it even on attacks where he fails to do damage normally? Either is fine (with the latter being more powerful obviously), but it's not super clear right now.

I love the drawback for the Hellfire spells, but with that in mind, I'd like to see their power level bumped up a little. As-is they'll come in very close to the two basic SA spells, meaning non-Demons will never take the risk of casting one of these when the other two are about as powerful with no drawback. But if these were bumped up and came in at 10-15 points, I could see bringing one or two along with figures like Doc Strange on occasion.

For Ignition in particular, what about doing it more like Cyborg Superman's SA and give it a higher attack (4?), but only allow you to roll for extra dice one time (maxing out at 8 skulls)?

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Good point. We'd had a couple quick exchanges about letting people run a few spells with new MD figures, like we handle glyphs or DOs or whathaveyou, and I was thinking about them in terms of that, but spells being individually draftable does complicate that process.

Testing the spells first probably is the most logical way to handle it.

I'd be fine with tackling that largely in this thread. Alternatively, if we're looking at another magic-themed LD or two before the magic release, it may be a good idea to have a designated thread for spell testing (and maybe also some brainstorming?) again.

These spells in particular aren't doing anything too controversial, I don't think, so testing and costing them should be fairly quick.

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I like it!

For the Darksoul wounding bit, can he only inflict the extra wound if he's already dealing wounds with that attack, or can he use it even on attacks where he fails to do damage normally? Either is fine (with the latter being more powerful obviously), but it's not super clear right now.
My intent was the latter, but the use of "additional" probably does muddy that slightly.

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I love the drawback for the Hellfire spells, but with that in mind, I'd like to see their power level bumped up a little. As-is they'll come in very close to the two basic SA spells, meaning non-Demons will never take the risk of casting one of these when the other two are about as powerful with no drawback. But if these were bumped up and came in at 10-15 points, I could see bringing one or two along with figures like Doc Strange on occasion.

For Ignition in particular, what about doing it more like Cyborg Superman's SA and give it a higher attack (4?), but only allow you to roll for extra dice one time (maxing out at 8 skulls)?
Yeah, they could probably use a slight buff across the board. I originally designed them more with the intent of going regular-powered spells with bonuses for Demons, and they're still at that base power level despite now dropping the bonus approach for the drawback one.

I like that idea for Ignition. Might have to do a little number-crunching to make sure it's not more powerful than I think, but I like the idea.

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Good point. We'd had a couple quick exchanges about letting people run a few spells with new MD figures, like we handle glyphs or DOs or whathaveyou, and I was thinking about them in terms of that, but spells being individually draftable does complicate that process.
Already tested and finalized spells wouldn't be an issue but testing unfinished spells with new figures is a bad idea. How would we differentiate the two unknowns in the one equation.

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Re: The Book of Daimon Hellstrom (Design Phase)

Maybe just stay the course with this thread but run through a two-step playtesting process? When we get to Initial, set Daimon aside and run the spells through Initial/Public testing quickly, then come back around and run him through with them for more standard/thorough testing?

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