Counter Army Thread

[pti8]

This is a thread for members to post an army that they want to play with. Then, some of these other members can respond to that my saying what the weakness are AND what are the some really dangerous armies for that army.

This is especially for the newer members that don't have as much experience with HeroScape as some of our older members around here.

~PTI

[Einar's puppy]

Alright, interesting enough.

I'll use one I've already played. I don't have any armies in the works right now.

3 Microcorp Agents
Skahen
Krav
James Murphy
595 points.

[gorthan313]

Originally Posted by Einar's puppy

Alright, interesting enough.

I'll use one I've already played. I don't have any armies in the works right now.

3 Microcorp Agents
Skahen
Krav
James Murphy
595 points.

You might have problems against Braxas with that army.....

[Aldin]

Originally Posted by Einar's puppy

3 Microcorp Agents
Skahen
Krav
James Murphy
595 points.

First things first, that is a very solid army which does very good damage at range and is itself difficult to kill at range. You could make the strengths of this army even stronger by switching James Murphy out for Raelin RotV in a 600 point army. Ironically, it does nothing to address the weaknesses of this army - even adding one in the process.

The big threats to this army are insta-killers like Braxas, tie-downs like the Rats and normal ranged attack immunes like Drake. I would also list Cyprien as it is difficult to force him into situations where other units have height advantage against him. A difficult opposing army might be:

Braxas 210
Grimnak 120
Isamu 10
2x Heavy Gruts 140
3x Deathreavers 120

The Rats tie you down allowing Braxas to sweep in and devestate the Microcorp and KMA. The Heavies and Chompy tear up anything that lives.

~Aldin, who would say that at 590 without Isamu this army still beats the MCA army

[dok]

Originally Posted by Aldin

Braxas 210
Grimnak 120
Isamu 10
2x Heavy Gruts 140
3x Deathreavers 120

Braxas and Grimnak, eh? How about this army, which I'll call "go big or go home":

180 Marrden Hounds x2
210 Charos
60 Zetacron
140 DW9k
590, 18 hexes

Charos is a brutal matchup for that army. Only Braxas even wants to attack him, and she goes down quickly to his counterattacks. The rest of them face a losing proposition against counterstrike.

I'm probably pushing it by including DW9k+Zetacron in stead of Zelrig+Dumutef, but I still like this matchup. Nobody can get chomped or acid breathed, and the DW9K'S explosion attack keep Grimnak's aura largely out of play. Zelrig would do a better job of that, but I'm going for the worst overall army that can reliably get the job done.

Given that you've got the hounds up front, you can probably get away with some medium figures in the back. AE and Kaemon Awa are obvious candidates. The Majors are also obvious figures for this army, and they make it a stronger army in wider matchups (Houndsx3 + Q9 + Q10 makes an even 600... that sounds like a cool army).

[Aldin]

Originally Posted by dok

Braxas and Grimnak, eh? How about this army, which I'll call "go big or go home":

180 Marrden Hounds x2
210 Charos
60 Zetacron
140 DW9k
590, 18 hexes

Charos is a brutal matchup for that army. Only Braxas even wants to attack him, and she goes down quickly to his counterattacks. The rest of them face a losing proposition against counterstrike.

I'm probably pushing it by including DW9k+Zetacron in stead of Zelrig+Dumutef, but I still like this matchup. Nobody can get chomped or acid breathed, and the DW9K'S explosion attack keep Grimnak's aura largely out of play. Zelrig would do a better job of that, but I'm going for the worst overall army that can reliably get the job done.

Given that you've got the hounds up front, you can probably get away with some medium figures in the back. AE and Kaemon Awa are obvious candidates. The Majors are also obvious figures for this army, and they make it a stronger army in wider matchups (Houndsx3 + Q9 + Q10 makes an even 600... that sounds like a cool army).

Yeah, I ran a Q9/Deathstalker based army designed to take advantage of Large/Soulborg immunities once and it did very well. Did you see the army I'd really like considered above?

~Aldin, who really likes what he perceives to be the original intent for this topic

[dok]

Originally Posted by Einar's puppy

3 Microcorp Agents
Skahen
Krav
James Murphy
595 points.

Here's a relatively bad army that I would pick over that one.

130 Armoc Vipers x2
120 Venoc Warlord
200 Venoc Vipers x5
100 Elite Onyx Vipers
550, 25 hexes (drop a Venoc)

Stealth Dodge is useless, and you don't have any blockers to get in the way of the stream of frenzying vipers. EOVs grab glyphs, and Mittens and the Armocs handle cleanup. Use Gurei-Oni if you don't have EOV. I'm leaving 45 off the table but I'm not worried; the matchups are on my side.

[Thorgrim]

Originally Posted by dok

Here's a relatively bad army that I would pick over that one.

130 Armoc Vipers x2
120 Venoc Warlord
200 Venoc Vipers x5
100 Elite Onyx Vipers
550, 25 hexes (drop a Venoc)

Stealth Dodge is useless, and you don't have any blockers to get in the way of the stream of frenzying vipers. EOVs grab glyphs, and Mittens and the Armocs handle cleanup. Use Gurei-Oni if you don't have EOV. I'm leaving 45 off the table but I'm not worried; the matchups are on my side.

I'll counter this one!

130 - Deathwalker 8000
260 - Tagawa Samurai Archers X4
120 - Tagawa Samurai
80 - Raelin RoTV
590?!

Reasons being... COUNTERSRIKENZ! Muhahaha!
All melee armies cannot escape that which is counterstrike. Tagawa can just sit and wait for the vipers to come to them, and get stronger each time they strike back. Archers for range to damage the vipers pre-entry, and possible counterstrike. Deathwalker 8000 for his (or her?) renoun for killing defenseless beings (What a cowardly robot!). Raelin for her ability to make make them all last longer, and make counterstrike that much more scary.

[killercactus]

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

I'll counter this one!

130 - Deathwalker 8000
260 - Tagawa Samurai Archers X4
120 - Tagawa Samurai
80 - Raelin RoTV
590?!

Reasons being... COUNTERSRIKENZ! Muhahaha!
All melee armies cannot escape that which is counterstrike. Tagawa can just sit and wait for the vipers to come to them, and get stronger each time they strike back. Archers for range to damage the vipers pre-entry, and possible counterstrike. Deathwalker 8000 for his (or her?) renoun for killing defenseless beings (What a cowardly robot!). Raelin for her ability to make make them all last longer, and make counterstrike that much more scary.

Sgt. Drake - 170
4th Mass x6 - 590 (drop one Mass)

Drake will kill DW8K before he gets enough shots off to take Drake down. The 4th Mass will own everything else.

[dok]

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

I'll counter this one!

130 - Deathwalker 8000
260 - Tagawa Samurai Archers X4
120 - Tagawa Samurai
80 - Raelin RoTV
590?!

Reasons being...

Allow me to cancel your reason and suggest a new one -- my army wasn't very good!

Here's my counter to my army (not to yours):

300 Zombies x5
300, 15 hexes

I'm outnumbered and I'm leaving 250 points off the table. It doesn't matter. I'll still win.

The point of my original army wasn't to be a good army. In fact, it was to be a relatively weak army that, by its nature, revealed the flaws of the other army. In the case of Einar's puppy's army, it lacks high-defense heroes or blocking defensive units. It's special defensive powers work best against ranged figures. So a swarm of fast-moving melee can take it down, even if that army is rather one-dimensional.

[temp.nerd]

Braxas 210
Grimnak 120
Isamu 10
2x Heavy Gruts 140
3x Deathreavers 120

So do I counter his army now?
If so, then:
His army requires clumping with the orcs, so why not send in Zelrig?

Zelrig 185
Airborne Elite 110
Wolves of Badru(good anti-rats) x2 160
Khosumet 75
Jonny "Shotgun" Sullivan 65
595

[Aldin]

Originally Posted by temp.nerd

So do I counter his army now?

I didn't think so, but out of curiosity, how did you intend to eliminate Braxas with that army?

~Aldin, inquisitively