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Old January 20th, 2022, 12:13 PM
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Ah, fair point. I quickly scanned and misread what you guys were suggesting.

Anyways, Iím still fairly convinced that my approach is the best, but I get that you guys are too and I donít think getting super in the weeds here is valuable. I guess Iíd request that somebody else make a counterproposal to mine, including what ruling they want to put on the books and how many design changes that would require. Then we can vote.
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Here's my suggested clarification/ruling.
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The start of the round is the first step in a round, happening before Order Markers are place or initiative is rolled. Generally then, powers that happen at the start of the round will be the first powers to happen during a round. Some older cards may have powers that say they trigger at the start of the round, but then list another action. For example, "At the start of the round, before rolling for initiative..." These are cases of outdated and extraneous wording - ignore the "start of the round" language in these cases.
How about this?

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The start of the round is the phase where Order Markers are placed and initiative is rolled. Most powers will specify in what part of the start of round phase the power happens. If the power does not, it happens before Order Markers are placed.

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Appreciated! I think your ruling and my ruling achieve fairly similar end results, just through different means.

I assume you’d be pushing for no updates with this ruling? The 14 designs I listed are still sticking points for me personally, but ultimately I think they’re all at least clear in intent.
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Old January 20th, 2022, 02:10 PM
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Yeah, the least updates needed is my goal.

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Old January 20th, 2022, 03:42 PM
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I think we should stop using "At the start of the round" period because it's like saying "During your turn" and is incredibly vague.


We need to specify anyway so there's nearly no reason for future cards to have that line.
Agreed.
Agreed.

If that's the consensus (or at least close to consensus) the only debatable item would be whether we update anything old for clarity or not (the ones that just say at the start of the round with no context).

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Old January 20th, 2022, 03:43 PM
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Here's my suggested clarification/ruling.
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The start of the round is the first step in a round, happening before Order Markers are place or initiative is rolled. Generally then, powers that happen at the start of the round will be the first powers to happen during a round. Some older cards may have powers that say they trigger at the start of the round, but then list another action. For example, "At the start of the round, before rolling for initiative..." These are cases of outdated and extraneous wording - ignore the "start of the round" language in these cases.
How about this?

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The start of the round is the phase where Order Markers are placed and initiative is rolled. Most powers will specify in what part of the start of round phase the power happens. If the power does not, it happens before Order Markers are placed.
I don't love it, just because ideally folks wouldn't have to come to this ruling to figure things out, but I could get on board if this is agreeable to all.

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Re: Rules Team HQ

I propose we move to voting or however we technically do it here.
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Old January 24th, 2022, 07:53 AM
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I propose we move to voting or however we technically do it here.
I believe you're meant to propose the actual ruling you want to propose (even if it's as a suggestion to the Heroes if it's the type of thing they need to weigh-in on, as it probably is here). We don't vote on whether to vote, though.

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I propose we suggest to the Heroes that the vote the following ruling into place:

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The start of the round is the phase where Order Markers are placed and initiative is rolled. Most powers will specify in what part of the start of round phase the power happens. If the power does not, it happens before Order Markers are placed.
Bats - yea
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@MrNobody - yea
@Lord Pyre - yea
@quozl - yea
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I think it would be useful to have all the updates needed /affected designs listed along with our proposals. I did it for the last one.

But Yea either way.
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I think it would be useful to have all the updates needed /affected designs listed along with our proposals. I did it for the last one.
That does sound useful. I know Nobody dropped it all in this thread somewhere. If my eyes weren't glazing over when reading anything longer than a sentence right now, I'd try. At least got the ball moving here, though.

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