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Old November 18th, 2021, 01:42 AM
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Re: The Book of Black Tom Cassidy - Waiting for Initial

That's a cool idea for sure, but I think I'd rather leave off om reveals, the main point of the power aside from bonding is to let them get as much out of Criminal synergy as they can.

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At the start of the game you may choose a Unique Hero in your army that shares a class with Black Tom. For the rest of the game, both Black Tom Cassidy and the chosen Hero have the class of Criminal in addition to what is listed on their cards. After taking a turn with Black Tom Cassidy, you may take a turn with the chosen Hero. After taking a turn with Black Tom Cassidy and that Hero, you may not take any additional turns with other figures you control.
I think I'd like to go ahead with this change and open him up for public testing, unless there is anything else anyone notices.
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Old November 18th, 2021, 01:46 AM
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Re: The Book of Black Tom Cassidy - Waiting for Initial

Also since Magneto can make any Mutant an Outcast, does that mean Tom can then corrupt any Mutant?
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Old November 18th, 2021, 06:25 AM
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Re: The Book of Black Tom Cassidy - Waiting for Initial

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Also since Magneto can make any Mutant an Outcast, does that mean Tom can then corrupt any Mutant?
Yes.

Which means, for instance, without the OM reveal requirement you can:

Recruit Wolverine as an Outcast and then make him a Criminal and roll with Magneto (II), Prof X, Wolverine, and Black Tom.

Then, on your turn, you can 1. reveal an Order Marker on Professor X 2. take a turn with Magneto 3. take a turn with Black Tom and 4. take a turn with Wolverine.

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Re: The Book of Black Tom Cassidy - Waiting for Initial

I'd agree with this idea. Tom going 1st definitely changes how he's played with Magneto II.


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That's a cool idea for sure, but I think I'd rather leave off om reveals, the main point of the power aside from bonding is to let them get as much out of Criminal synergy as they can.

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PARTNERS IN CRIME
At the start of the game you may choose a Unique Hero in your army that shares a class with Black Tom. For the rest of the game, both Black Tom Cassidy and the chosen Hero have the class of Criminal in addition to what is listed on their cards. After taking a turn with Black Tom Cassidy, you may take a turn with the chosen Hero. After taking a turn with Black Tom Cassidy and that Hero, you may not take any additional turns with other figures you control.
I think I'd like to go ahead with this change and open him up for public testing, unless there is anything else anyone notices.
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Re: The Book of Black Tom Cassidy - Waiting for Initial

I would say you need to either put an Order Marker requirement on it, or more games need to be run in the initial that make use of the fact that he can bond without an Order Marker. 3 for 3 without running the clearly strong pairing approach is not ready for public.
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Re: The Book of Black Tom Cassidy - Waiting for Initial

I definitely think we should see something like the Prof. X build Bats suggested before we go Public. I can probably get to it by the end of this weekend if nobody else can do it sooner.
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Re: The Book of Black Tom Cassidy - Waiting for Initial

Put me in favor of having the OM restriction. The Mutant faction and Criminal faction are two solid factions and we decided that Bucky adding an extra turn to the Soldier faction was too much. Not seeing why this guy would be different.

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Re: The Book of Black Tom Cassidy - Waiting for Initial

Busy at work here, I'll come back later today.
Quick thoughts - if not having OM reveal means he's only getting used in Xavier armies, might as well tack it on. I just want whatever gets him/Juggs at least as much use with the Criminal faction as the Mutants.
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Re: The Book of Black Tom Cassidy - Waiting for Initial

Plus keeping his cost at 160, which it feels like with that turn efficiency he would cost more, so it should go on.
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Re: The Book of Black Tom Cassidy - Waiting for Initial

To be fair, Splash did highlight that as the main feature of the design.
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1. Does your design allow itself or figures to move/attack/take a turn/etc. instead of/in addition to your normal turn for revealing an Order Marker? Is it granting these benefits to too broad a range of units? Does it combine with other powers to create overly long or powerful chains of actions?
Yup, he allows an Outcast to take a turn before he does. There is also no OM requirement, so with any power that activates a Unique Criminal, they would both get to go, which could be pretty strong. This is my intention and the main draw of the card. You may not take additional turns after using the bonding so any chain would end there.
The Mutant web does have a far stronger pull than the Criminal web. Would there be interest in maybe retooling the power as something that calls out Criminals/Crime Lords a bit more?
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Re: The Book of Black Tom Cassidy - Waiting for Initial

Yeah, I don't think the intention was for it to work with any Mutant, but after the Magneto (II) revelation, it's reasonable for there to be some push back. A retool to reemphasize the Criminal aspect could help.

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Re: The Book of Black Tom Cassidy - Waiting for Initial

What about just making him choose a Human Outcast to be his Partner?

A little surprised the mechanic for Rough and Tumble has never been used.
Is that generic enough for reuse? Though I guess it may not matter since it has never been used in 1300 designs.
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