Heroes of 'Scape (RPG)

[Kaiyu]

Originally Posted by gorthan313

One could, I suppose, start a drow warrior, and then race change to undead when it becomes a death knight. It would no longer get drow bonuses, but it would still 'look' like a drow(For thematic purposes more than anything else).

I wasn't originally going to do that, but I'll consider it. According to the D&D Wiki on Death Knights, Drow "occasionally" become Death Knights. I'm not sure if "occasionally" justifies making it a race in my RPG or not but I'll think about it for a while. Otherwise there's no reason to deny Drow the right to become one. Same with Elf.

[Kaiyu]

Updates, updates, updates... Maybe I should have held off the first release for another week oh well. The main GAME GUIDE and the SPECIAL POWERS lists PDF link has been updated to include all changes so far. I've also expanded the PDF link for the ADDITIONS and ERRATA.

Added to the Game Guide is the FIGURE(HEIGHT) GUIDE that I promised.

I'll highlight some of the biggest changes for you though, but its recommended that you download the PDF to at least take a look, if you're not going to print it out.

There is a Highland Sub Class now under the Warrior and Champion Main Class. Some abilities that were sub class exclusive are available to the Highlanders too.

The Arachnomancer is no longer a School of Magic, but its own Class, with a slight stat change; some abilities from the Wizard Class have been added to the Arachnomancer list.

Lots of new abilities added to the Warrior, Champion, Warlord, Paladin, Archer, and Ranger class.

Undead expansion should be up sometime next week or later. I wanna make sure you can play as Vampires and Werewolves during your Haloween inspired Heroscape Night

[DeathByUtgar]

thanks... I will wait until sunday to print... just in case of anything else added this weekend

[Kaiyu]

Just played a game. Eight Heroes! 6 people plus myself as the game master. Two of them had two heroes each (the veterans).

They had

Spoiler Alert!

Level 2 Dragonborn Paladin (carried over from a previous game)
-Tough 1
-Lay on Hands 2

Level 2 Dwarf Rogue (carried over from a previous game)
-Sneak Attack 2
-Critical Strike 1

Level 1 Elf Wizard (carried over from a previous game, almost level 2)
-Defense Aura 1

Level 1 Human Fighter Warrior (carried over from a previous game, almost level 2)
-Broad Sword and Bow

Level 1 Samurai Archer
-Counterstrike

Level 1 Warforged Warrior
-A Stalwart's Reward 1

Level 1 Dwarf Warrior
-Defense Formation 1

Level 1 Mind Flayer Psionicist
-Psionic Blast Special Attack 1

They were up against

Spoiler Alert!

Army 1
1x Venoc Warlord
1x Armoc Vipers
2x Venoc Vipers
1x Greenscale Warriors
1x Charos
Army 2
1x Sonlen
1x Emirroon
1x Uligesh
1x Morsebane
1x Chardris
1x Jorhdawn
1x Arkmer
Army 2
1x Brandis Skyhunter
1x Sharwin Wildborne
1x Warriors of Ashra
1x Aubrien Archers
2x Syvarris (yes I know...)

Here's what happened

Spoiler Alert!

The party fought all of Army 1 before Army 2 and 3 even activated. I treated them like 2 separate battles, but they were on one map.

The Elf Wizard and Human Warrior (Fighter) soon leveled up to Level 2. The Elf Wizard choose the Divine School of Magic and picked up Healing Word 1 and Engagement Strike 1. The Fighter picked up Barbarian Rage 2.

They managed to destroy Army 1 with little resistance until having to deal with Charos. No lives were lost against Army 1

They Heroes moved in on Army 2 and Army 3. They managed to kill Sharwin Wildborne before she did anything but whiff an Arcane Bolt. They had a tough fight at first. They lost the Elf Wizard, then the Dwarf Rogue, then the Mind Flayer at the end.

Once the rest of the Heroes hit Level 2, things got pretty easy. Plus by then it was mostly Army 3 left, so they had 8 turns versus 1...

By the end the Heroes were

Spoiler Alert!

Level 3 Dragonborn Paladin
-Tough 1
-Lay on Hands 2
-Thick Shield 3

Level 3 Dwarf Rogue
-Sneak Attack 2
-Critical Strike 1
-Stealth Dodge 1
-Disengage --> Phantom Walk 2

Level 2 Elf Wizard
-Defense Aura 1
-Healing Word 1
-Engagement Strike 1

Level 3 Human Fighter Champion
-Broad Sword and Bow 1
-Barbarian Rage 2
-Bloodthirsty 3

Level 3 Samurai Archer
-Counterstrike 1
-Piercing Arrow 2
-Dedicated Shot 3

Level 3 Warforged Warlord
-A Stalwart's Reward 1
-Combat Challenge 1
-Draw Fire 1
-Commander's Presence 1
-can't remember...

Level 3 Dwarf Warlord
-Defense Formation 1
-One Shield Defense 1
-can't remember...

Level 3 Mind Flayer Psionicist
-Level 3 Psionic Blast
-Level 3 Enslave

Overall Analysis

Spoiler Alert!

Everything went rather smoothly. Any and all complaints were all because of the decision on my part to play in a way that was going against the very rules I set. Instead of playing multiple battles and adding up experience/leveling up afterward, we added up experience at the end of each round and we leveled up mid battle. The adding up the experience part slowed the game down quite a bit, and leveling up so early made the end of the battle too easy.

I think if I had kept the battle with the Vipers and Greenscales separate and didn't let everyone get to Level 2 in the middle of the battle against the Elves, the match would have been more of a challenge. I also didn't follow that for every 2 Heroes there should be 1 Army to face.

The difficulty of what the Heroes are fighting needs to grow quite a bit as the Levels of the Heroes goes up and my initial set of point values were completely off for levels 2 and beyond. 70 still seems fine for Level 1.

A positive note is that having 8 Heroes in one battle didn't break the game. It did however make synergy between some guys make them impossible to kill. I absolutely HAD to kill the healer with its defense aura, or I would have never killed anyone else. A seven life Paladin, with 4 defense, healing from itself and the Elf, plus an auto shield would have been impossible to kill. I'm worried about breaking the game if the Paladin also had Combat Challenge and Draw Fire

I may have to create some simple custom mods you can do to your Heroscape figures to make them a bit more of a challenge against Level 3 and Level 4 Heroes. Like all opponents figure getting +1 attack and +1 defense, giving one figures like Charos Double Attack, or just doubling the Life of every enemy figure.

[DeathByUtgar]

Originally Posted by kaiyu0707

Just played a game. Eight Heroes! 6 people plus myself as the game master. Two of them had two heroes each (the veterans).

They had

Spoiler Alert!

Level 2 Dragonborn Paladin (carried over from a previous game)
-Tough 1
-Lay on Hands 2

Level 2 Dwarf Rogue (carried over from a previous game)
-Sneak Attack 2
-Critical Strike 1

Level 1 Elf Wizard (carried over from a previous game, almost level 2)
-Defense Aura 1

Level 1 Human Fighter Warrior (carried over from a previous game, almost level 2)
-Broad Sword and Bow

Level 1 Samurai Archer
-Counterstrike

Level 1 Warforged Warrior
-A Stalwart's Reward 1

Level 1 Dwarf Warrior
-Defense Formation 1

Level 1 Mind Flayer Psionicist
-Psionic Blast Special Attack 1

They were up against

Spoiler Alert!

Army 1
1x Venoc Warlord
1x Armoc Vipers
2x Venoc Vipers
1x Greenscale Warriors
1x Charos
Army 2
1x Sonlen
1x Emirroon
1x Uligesh
1x Morsebane
1x Chardris
1x Jorhdawn
1x Arkmer
Army 2
1x Brandis Skyhunter
1x Sharwin Wildborne
1x Warriors of Ashra
1x Aubrien Archers
2x Syvarris (yes I know...)

Here's what happened

Spoiler Alert!

The party fought all of Army 1 before Army 2 and 3 even activated. I treated them like 2 separate battles, but they were on one map.

The Elf Wizard and Human Warrior (Fighter) soon leveled up to Level 2. The Elf Wizard choose the Divine School of Magic and picked up Healing Word 1 and Engagement Strike 1. The Fighter picked up Barbarian Rage 2.

They managed to destroy Army 1 with little resistance until having to deal with Charos. No lives were lost against Army 1

They Heroes moved in on Army 2 and Army 3. They managed to kill Sharwin Wildborne before she did anything but whiff an Arcane Bolt. They had a tough fight at first. They lost the Elf Wizard, then the Dwarf Rogue, then the Mind Flayer at the end.

Once the rest of the Heroes hit Level 2, things got pretty easy. Plus by then it was mostly Army 3 left, so they had 8 turns versus 1...

By the end the Heroes were

Spoiler Alert!

Level 3 Dragonborn Paladin
-Tough 1
-Lay on Hands 2
-Thick Shield 3

Level 3 Dwarf Rogue
-Sneak Attack 2
-Critical Strike 1
-Stealth Dodge 1
-Disengage --> Phantom Walk 2

Level 2 Elf Wizard
-Defense Aura 1
-Healing Word 1
-Engagement Strike 1

Level 3 Human Fighter Champion
-Broad Sword and Bow 1
-Barbarian Rage 2
-Bloodthirsty 3

Level 3 Samurai Archer
-Counterstrike 1
-Piercing Arrow 2
-Dedicated Shot 3

Level 3 Warforged Warlord
-A Stalwart's Reward 1
-Combat Challenge 1
-Draw Fire 1
-Commander's Presence 1
-can't remember...

Level 3 Dwarf Warlord
-Defense Formation 1
-One Shield Defense 1
-can't remember...

Level 3 Mind Flayer Psionicist
-Level 3 Psionic Blast
-Level 3 Enslave

Overall Analysis

Spoiler Alert!

Everything went rather smoothly. Any and all complaints were all because of the decision on my part to play in a way that was going against the very rules I set. Instead of playing multiple battles and adding up experience/leveling up afterward, we added up experience at the end of each round and we leveled up mid battle. The adding up the experience part slowed the game down quite a bit, and leveling up so early made the end of the battle too easy.

I think if I had kept the battle with the Vipers and Greenscales separate and didn't let everyone get to Level 2 in the middle of the battle against the Elves, the match would have been more of a challenge. I also didn't follow that for every 2 Heroes there should be 1 Army to face.

The difficulty of what the Heroes are fighting needs to grow quite a bit as the Levels of the Heroes goes up and my initial set of point values were completely off for levels 2 and beyond. 70 still seems fine for Level 1.

A positive note is that having 8 Heroes in one battle didn't break the game. It did however make synergy between some guys make them impossible to kill. I absolutely HAD to kill the healer with its defense aura, or I would have never killed anyone else. A seven life Paladin, with 4 defense, healing from itself and the Elf, plus an auto shield would have been impossible to kill. I'm worried about breaking the game if the Paladin also had Combat Challenge and Draw Fire

I may have to create some simple custom mods you can do to your Heroscape figures to make them a bit more of a challenge against Level 3 and Level 4 Heroes. Like all opponents figure getting +1 attack and +1 defense, giving one figures like Charos Double Attack, or just doubling the Life of every enemy figure.

I don't even know that many people who play 'scape!
sounds like an epic game, other than it getting slowed down by leveling mid-game
and on champion it goes to level 5 skills, are you planning on making level 5 skills for every class?

[Gladitor]

This sounds fun... I played your other game alot, so I have hight hopes for this one!

[Kaiyu]

Originally Posted by DeathByUtgar

and on champion it goes to level 5 skills, are you planning on making level 5 skills for every class?

Level 5 skills aren't planned for any class really. Just when I'm working out the balance, some skills are too powerful for only 4 skills points. But I never create a skill intending for it to be Level 5, its always a leveled up version of a lower costed skill (usually a level 2 skill)

Originally Posted by Gladitor

This sounds fun... I played your other game alot, so I have high hopes for this one!

I hope you get a chance to play soon! I'm loving this version a lot more than the old one.

[gorthan313]

If you need help 'upgrading' classic scape units to make them more of a challenge, I actually have a few ideas.

[Kaiyu]

Originally Posted by gorthan313

If you need help 'upgrading' classic scape units to make them more of a challenge, I actually have a few ideas.

No need to ask for permission to present your ideas. Lay it on me.

Only rule I guess would be is if you make a huge long page of stuff to put it into a spoiler, please.

[DeathByUtgar]

Originally Posted by kaiyu0707

No need to ask for permission to present your ideas. Lay it on me.

Only rule I guess would be is if you make a huge long page of stuff to put it into a spoiler, please.

hey speakin of, can we start putting out our ideas for future abilities, such as for vampire, werewolf, and agents?

[Kaiyu]

Originally Posted by DeathByUtgar

hey speakin of, can we start putting out our ideas for future abilities, such as for vampire, werewolf, and agents?

Of course! When I made the first call to arms for ideas I never said for which expansion. Its already known that by the end I'll have nearly every Race and Class accounted for (sorry Doggin, you didn't make the cut ) so I need abilities for everything!

[DeathByUtgar]

Found a perfect Army card for this game. just use the points at the bottom for experience points