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Re: [Pod 1] UKUSHISA PRIDE (Blazing Firecats) - Editing

I see - @Astroking112 's post above was not an "official proposal" - well you can still count my
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Re: [Pod 1] UKUSHISA PRIDE (Blazing Firecats) - Editing

Bumping this because I'm interested to see these moving.
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Re: [Pod 1] UKUSHISA PRIDE (Blazing Firecats) - Editing

I was hoping to see more votes, but this has gone on long enough. This proposal passes. The OP has been updated.

I'll get to doing a new Checklist soon.
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Re: [Pod 1] UKUSHISA PRIDE (Blazing Firecats) - Editing

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Glyphs: Ring of Protection, Heroic Rune

Army 1: Ukishisa Pride 90, Tomoe Gozen 110, Z’Thoth 140, Brave Arrow 50, Izumi Samurai 60 (450 points)

Army 2: Calibrax 130, Martial La Hire 70, Sentinels of Grax 100, Feral Troll 90, Darrak Ambershard 60 (450 points)

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Survivors: 3 Ukushisa, 3 Izumi Samurai, Brave Arrow and Tomoe Gozen.

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Re: [Pod 1] UKUSHISA PRIDE (Blazing Firecats) - Editing

Should we clarify the adjacency rules in the power or with an FAQ item? Coming back to this figure, it was unclear if the bonus was if another pride figure was adjacent to the attacker or the defender (but leaned towards the attacker in my interpretation)

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When attacking with an Ukushisa Pride, roll one additional die for each adjacent Ukushisa Pride.

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When attacking, roll one additional die for each Ukushisa Pride adjacent to the attacking Ukushisa Pride.
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Old May 12th, 2021, 10:57 AM
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Re: [Pod 1] UKUSHISA PRIDE (Blazing Firecats) - Editing

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Should we clarify the adjacency rules in the power or with an FAQ item? Coming back to this figure, it was unclear if the bonus was if another pride figure was adjacent to the attacker or the defender (but leaned towards the attacker in my interpretation)

Combined Heat
When attacking with an Ukushisa Pride, roll one additional die for each adjacent Ukushisa Pride.

Combined Heat
When attacking, roll one additional die for each Ukushisa Pride adjacent to the attacking Ukushisa Pride.
I don't know why it's confusing; the defending figure is not mentioned anywhere in the power. The only object in the sentence is the attacking Ukushisa Pride. It's similar to Shield Wall. (Though it should probably have a "you control" in it, now that I look at it again.)

But if people do find it confusing, we can break the Shield Wall precedent and spell it out.
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Re: [Pod 1] UKUSHISA PRIDE (Blazing Firecats) - Editing

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Should we clarify the adjacency rules in the power or with an FAQ item? Coming back to this figure, it was unclear if the bonus was if another pride figure was adjacent to the attacker or the defender (but leaned towards the attacker in my interpretation)

Combined Heat
When attacking with an Ukushisa Pride, roll one additional die for each adjacent Ukushisa Pride.

Combined Heat
When attacking, roll one additional die for each Ukushisa Pride adjacent to the attacking Ukushisa Pride.
I don't know why it's confusing; the defending figure is not mentioned anywhere in the power. The only object in the sentence is the attacking Ukushisa Pride. It's similar to Shield Wall. (Though it should probably have a "you control" in it, now that I look at it again.)

But if people do find it confusing, we can break the Shield Wall precedent and spell it out.
I'm good with just adding that "you control" line. I guess it's just me
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Re: [Pod 1] UKUSHISA PRIDE (Blazing Firecats) - Editing

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Should we clarify the adjacency rules in the power or with an FAQ item? Coming back to this figure, it was unclear if the bonus was if another pride figure was adjacent to the attacker or the defender (but leaned towards the attacker in my interpretation)
I don't know why it's confusing; the defending figure is not mentioned anywhere in the power. The only object in the sentence is the attacking Ukushisa Pride. It's similar to Shield Wall. (Though it should probably have a "you control" in it, now that I look at it again.)

But if people do find it confusing, we can break the Shield Wall precedent and spell it out.
I agree with you that the lack of a mention to the defending figure should help ensure that it's interpreted as intended, but I do wonder if this would be confusing to a newcomer. Unfortunately, I haven't been able to run a HS newcomer event in quite some time and probably won't be able to in the near future, or else I would bring these guys to the event and see how they play outside of players familiar with the game.

It is worth noting that Shield Wall is probably a bit easier of a theme to help with the correct interpretation for most players, since it's inspired by historical Romans rather than by original fantasy fiery hunters. I could see it being a case similar to Double Attack, where the power name and theme help it come across consistently despite some vague wording.

Overall, I'm fine with the current wording inspired by Shield Wall, but as another option, we could also look at the Honor Guard of the Blasted Lands' Arc Lances (there may be other close examples, but those are recent and came to mind). Whatever you think is best from a rules perspective works for me, though.
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Re: [Pod 1] UKUSHISA PRIDE (Blazing Firecats) - Editing

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Should we clarify the adjacency rules in the power or with an FAQ item? Coming back to this figure, it was unclear if the bonus was if another pride figure was adjacent to the attacker or the defender (but leaned towards the attacker in my interpretation)
I don't know why it's confusing; the defending figure is not mentioned anywhere in the power. The only object in the sentence is the attacking Ukushisa Pride. It's similar to Shield Wall. (Though it should probably have a "you control" in it, now that I look at it again.)

But if people do find it confusing, we can break the Shield Wall precedent and spell it out.
I agree with you that the lack of a mention to the defending figure should help ensure that it's interpreted as intended, but I do wonder if this would be confusing to a newcomer. Unfortunately, I haven't been able to run a HS newcomer event in quite some time and probably won't be able to in the near future, or else I would bring these guys to the event and see how they play outside of players familiar with the game.

It is worth noting that Shield Wall is probably a bit easier of a theme to help with the correct interpretation for most players, since it's inspired by historical Romans rather than by original fantasy fiery hunters. I could see it being a case similar to Double Attack, where the power name and theme help it come across consistently despite some vague wording.

Overall, I'm fine with the current wording inspired by Shield Wall, but as another option, we could also look at the Honor Guard of the Blasted Lands' Arc Lances (there may be other close examples, but those are recent and came to mind). Whatever you think is best from a rules perspective works for me, though.
I suppose we have plenty of space on the card. I wish we didn't have such an awkward name for the unit, though.
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Re: [Pod 1] UKUSHISA PRIDE (Blazing Firecats) - Editing

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I suppose we have plenty of space on the card. I wish we didn't have such an awkward name for the unit, though.
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When attacking with an Ukushisa Pride, roll one additional die for each Ukushisa Pride you control adjacent to the attacking Ukushisa Pride.
Spelling it out does seem like the best route here, given that we have the space for it.

I just realized that I'm not sure how "Ukushisa" is supposed to be pronounced. Depending on the pronunciation, we might have to use "a Ukushisa Pride" instead of "an Ukushisa Pride." If the U is long like in "universe" rather than short like in "umbrella," we should use a Ukushisa.

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Lions are the only big cat that hunt as a group. As a name what about: Ukushisa Pride.
Ukushisa is Zulu for blazing.
Do you know how this is intended to be pronounced?
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Re: [Pod 1] UKUSHISA PRIDE (Blazing Firecats) - Editing

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I suppose we have plenty of space on the card. I wish we didn't have such an awkward name for the unit, though.
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Combined Heat
When attacking with an Ukushisa Pride, roll one additional die for each Ukushisa Pride you control adjacent to the attacking Ukushisa Pride.
Spelling it out does seem like the best route here, given that we have the space for it.

I just realized that I'm not sure how "Ukushisa" is supposed to be pronounced. Depending on the pronunciation, we might have to use "a Ukushisa Pride" instead of "an Ukushisa Pride." If the U is long like in "universe" rather than short like in "umbrella," we should use a Ukushisa.

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Lions are the only big cat that hunt as a group. As a name what about: Ukushisa Pride.
Ukushisa is Zulu for blazing.
Do you know how this is intended to be pronounced?
You pronounce U's with a oo sound and the rest of the letters are the same as english.

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Re: [Pod 1] UKUSHISA PRIDE (Blazing Firecats) - Editing

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I just realized that I'm not sure how "Ukushisa" is supposed to be pronounced. Depending on the pronunciation, we might have to use "a Ukushisa Pride" instead of "an Ukushisa Pride." If the U is long like in "universe" rather than short like in "umbrella," we should use a Ukushisa.

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Lions are the only big cat that hunt as a group. As a name what about: Ukushisa Pride.
Ukushisa is Zulu for blazing.
Do you know how this is intended to be pronounced?
You pronounce U's with a oo sound and the rest of the letters are the same as english.
Thanks for clearing that up! In that case, then technically we should use a Ukushisa Pride.

Last edited by Astroking112; June 7th, 2021 at 09:11 PM. Reason: It makes me deeply uncomfortable to see "a U" still. It's been too long since vocal communication was the norm...
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