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Most Competitive Sets, Based on Power Rankings
This may actually belong in the General Discussion board, but with the metagame as it is I was curious to see how "good" respective releases were based on SpiderPoison's rankings.
Basically, each Wave or Set will have a mean score determined from the values of the units available from the set based on the following criteria: A+ = 10 A = 9 A- = 8 B+ = 7 B = 6 B- = 5 C+ = 4 C = 3 C- = 2 D = 1 F = 0 This isn't to say that a B- unit is straight up half as good as an A+ unit. It is simply a numerical ratings mapping. Short overview blurbs after each group will follow this format: Total Units - Mean - (# of A Units (8-10) / # of B Units (5-7) / # of C Units (2-4) / # of D and below Units) Master Set 1: Rise of the Valkyrie
16 - 6.44 - (5 / 8 / 2 / 1) Master Set 2: Swarm of the Marro
10 - 5.80 - (3 / 5 / 0 / 2) Master Set 3: Battle for the Underdark
8 - 5.50 - (1 / 5 / 2 / 0) Marvel! The Conflict Begins
10 - 6.20 - (3 / 5 / 2 / 0) Orm's Return
5 - 4.40 - (0 / 3 / 2 / 0) Raknar's Vision
5 - 7.20 - (3 / 1 / 1 / 0) Aquilla's Alliance
5 - 5.60 - (1 / 2 / 2 / 0) Crest of the Valkyrie
5 - 5.00 - (2 / 1 / 1 / 1) Promotional/Exclusive
6 - 6.17 - (2 / 2 / 2 / 0) Terrain Expansion
4 - 2.50 - (0 / 0 / 3 / 1) Wave 1: Malliddon's Prophecy
11 - 5.73 - (1 / 8 / 2 / 0) Wave 2: Utgar's Rage
10 - 6.60 - (4 / 5 / 1 / 0) Wave 3: Jandar's Oath
11 - 4.73 - (2 / 4 / 4 / 1) Wave 4: Zanafor's Discovery
13 - 4.69 - (1 / 6 / 4 / 2) Wave 5: Thora's Vengeance
10 - 6.30 - (2 / 6 / 2 / 0) Wave 6: Dawn of Darkness
10 - 4.80 - (3 / 2 / 5 / 0) Wave 7: Fields of Valor
11 - 5.18 - (4 / 2 / 5 / 0) Wave 8: Defenders of Kinsland
12 - 4.50 - (1 / 5 / 5 / 1) Wave 9: Blackmoon Siege
11 - 6.55 - (3 / 6 / 2 / 0) Wave 10: Valkrill's Gambit
9 - 6.33 - (3 / 4 / 2 / 0) Wave 11: Champions of the Forgotten Realms
16 - 5.88 - (5 / 7 / 4 / 0) Wave 12: Warrior's of Ebberron
15 - 5.93 - (0 / 13 / 2 / 0) Wave 13: Moltenclaw's Invasion
12 - 6.08 - (1 / 8 / 3 / 0) And that's all folks! Hopefully this sparks some light hearted discussion. I immediately concluded that grabbing terrain expansions for competitive figures isn't the right way to go. Raknar's Vision kicks the pants out of any other expansion set, with no real weaknesses bar Jotun. Wave 13 unexpectedly has the highest average of the three DnD waves. "FE's Battle Reports!" "FE's TradeList!" Good purchases from: Ztimster, Just_a_Bill, Teasedbyeldgrim, Queen of Jandar, Tmac2200, anuctoo Last edited by fireemblemrox; June 10th, 2015 at 02:30 AM. |
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Re: Most Competitive Sets, Based on Power Rankings
Here are the sets in order from highest average to lowest average:
"FE's Battle Reports!" "FE's TradeList!" Good purchases from: Ztimster, Just_a_Bill, Teasedbyeldgrim, Queen of Jandar, Tmac2200, anuctoo |
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Re: Most Competitive Sets, Based on Power Rankings
Here is a percentage list. Each wave consists of X percent of each tier, ordered by highest percentage to lower percentage.
A Tier Percentage 60% Raknar's Vision 40% Crest of the Valkyrie 40% Wave 2: Utgar's Rage 36% Wave 7: Fields of Valor 33% Promotional/Exclusive 33% Wave 10: Valkrill's Gambit 31% Rise of the Valkyrie 31% Wave 11: Champions of the Forgotten Realms 30% Swarm of the Marro 30% Marvel! The Conflict Begins 30% Wave 6: Dawn of Darkness 27% Wave 9: Blackmoon Siege 20% Aquilla's Alliance 20% Wave 5: Thora's Vengeance 18% Wave 3: Jandar's Oath 12% Battle for the Underdark 9% Wave 1: Malliddon's Prophecy 8% Wave 4: Zanafor's Discovery 8% Wave 8: Defenders of Kinsland 8% Wave 13: Moltenclaw's Invasion 0% Orm's Return 0% Terrain Expansion 0% Wave 12: Warrior's of Ebberron B Tier Percentage 87% Wave 12: Warrior's of Ebberron 73% Wave 1: Malliddon's Prophecy 66% Wave 13: Moltenclaw's Invasion 63% Battle for the Underdark 60% Orm's Return 60% Wave 5: Thora's Vengeance 55% Wave 9: Blackmoon Siege 50% Rise of the Valkyrie 50% Swarm of the Marro 50% Marvel! The Conflict Begins 50% Wave 2: Utgar's Rage 46% Wave 4: Zanafor's Discovery 44% Wave 10: Valkrill's Gambit 44% Wave 11: Champions of the Forgotten Realms 42% Wave 8: Defenders of Kinsland 40% Aquilla's Alliance 36% Wave 3: Jandar's Oath 33% Promotional/Exclusive 20% Raknar's Vision 20% Crest of the Valkyrie 20% Wave 6: Dawn of Darkness 18% Wave 7: Fields of Valor 0% Terrain Expansion C Tier Percentage 75% Terrain Expansion 50% Wave 6: Dawn of Darkness 45% Wave 7: Fields of Valor 42% Wave 8: Defenders of Kinsland 40% Orm's Return 40% Aquilla's Alliance 36% Wave 3: Jandar's Oath 33% Promotional/Exclusive 31% Wave 4: Zanafor's Discovery 25% Battle for the Underdark 25% Wave 11: Champions of the Forgotten Realms 25% Wave 13: Moltenclaw's Invasion 22% Wave 10: Valkrill's Gambit 20% Marvel! The Conflict Begins 20% Raknar's Vision 20% Crest of the Valkyrie 20% Wave 5: Thora's Vengeance 18% Wave 1: Malliddon's Prophecy 18% Wave 9: Blackmoon Siege 13% Rise of the Valkyrie 13% Wave 12: Warrior's of Ebberron 10% Wave 2: Utgar's Rage 0% Swarm of the Marro D/F Tier Percentage 25% Terrain Expansion 20% Swarm of the Marro 20% Crest of the Valkyrie 15% Wave 4: Zanafor's Discovery 9% Wave 3: Jandar's Oath 8% Wave 8: Defenders of Kinsland 6% Rise of the Valkyrie 0% Battle for the Underdark 0% Marvel! The Conflict Begins 0% Orm's Return 0% Raknar's Vision 0% Aquilla's Alliance 0% Promotional/Exclusive 0% Wave 1: Malliddon's Prophecy 0% Wave 2: Utgar's Rage 0% Wave 5: Thora's Vengeance 0% Wave 6: Dawn of Darkness 0% Wave 7: Fields of Valor 0% Wave 9: Blackmoon Siege 0% Wave 10: Valkrill's Gambit 0% Wave 11: Champions of the Forgotten Realms 0% Wave 12: Warrior's of Ebberron 0% Wave 13: Moltenclaw's Invasion "FE's Battle Reports!" "FE's TradeList!" Good purchases from: Ztimster, Just_a_Bill, Teasedbyeldgrim, Queen of Jandar, Tmac2200, anuctoo |
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Re: Most Competitive Sets, Based on Power Rankings
Super interesting! Your hard work is appreciated as this is a very intriguing view on rankings of the waves. You might have to do individual boosters next.
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Mathematically
Worth noting that by assigning the values you did you are functionally counting an A+ unit as worth twice as much as a B- unit. If you assign a standard grading system (A=4, B=3, C=2, D=1, F=0, +/- = +/- 0.25) you get a slightly different ordering of things.
Overall, I'm not surprised to see Raknar's Vision on top and the Terrain expansions on the bottom. Wave 9 kind of surprised me. Also surprised to see Wave 1 so low. Anyways, it's certainly an interesting question. ~Dysole, who will share the whole sheet if you want My Twitch Channel where I play Scape and other things My YouTube Channel where the games get uploaded later Dysole's Draft Rankings Map Thread (Not responsible for psychic damage) Customs Battle Reports This sentence is seven words long. This sentence is not seven words long. |
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Re: Most Competitive Sets, Based on Power Rankings
Yes, please do share the whole sheet! I did a 0-10 simply because the number of groupings there suited this particular number.
I did note somewhere near the start that the number assignment implied B- were 1/2 as good as A+ so clearly the numbers I have don't have a good ratio comparison as well (e.g. a 7.5 vs a 5 does not necessarily mean a wave is 1.5 times as good). However, because they all used this standard this at least can show how good the waves were relative to each other in a qualitative sense. The change of variables may have hidden some other relationships, so Dysole, a ranking on that scale would be very much appreciated! After all, it isn't like DW7K is worth infinitely less than Shirori. :P "FE's Battle Reports!" "FE's TradeList!" Good purchases from: Ztimster, Just_a_Bill, Teasedbyeldgrim, Queen of Jandar, Tmac2200, anuctoo |
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The Power of Google Sheets
There you go.
~Dysole, who loves the AVERAGEIF function My Twitch Channel where I play Scape and other things My YouTube Channel where the games get uploaded later Dysole's Draft Rankings Map Thread (Not responsible for psychic damage) Customs Battle Reports This sentence is seven words long. This sentence is not seven words long. Last edited by Dysole; June 10th, 2015 at 04:44 AM. Reason: Added a graph |
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Re: Most Competitive Sets, Based on Power Rankings
This is a fantastic resource for new players. Thank you for putting this list together. Will really help newbies prioritize purchases.
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Re: Most Competitive Sets, Based on Power Rankings
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Be careful of prioritizing competitive over fun or synergy. For example wave 5 is a High ranking for competitive, but not as fun (at least to me) as Wave 1. Also you can build some great thematic armies out of the box with Wave 1 and RotV. Wave 2 is the best of both worlds, but not as easy to find. |
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