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Old August 21st, 2008, 11:57 AM
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Does SuBakNa affect molten lava rolls?

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On the Lava thread, I wrote that Su-Bak-Na's Hive Supremacy would give Marro/Wulsinu a 10% chance of surviving a molten lava roll. Snotwalker8000 thought that wasn't the case, and made a reasonable case for Su-Bak-Na only affecting rolls for powers/abilities on the cards themselves.

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Any thoughts on this? It would apply to Massive Curse rolls as well. (Probably other things, too. The revive glyph, perhaps.)
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Re: Does SuBakNa affect molten lava rolls?



Hmmm. I can see where his reasoning would come from with the word 'card' in the text. However, I would say that any d20 roll for a Marro/Wulsinu would be affected by Su-Bak-Na.
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Re: Does SuBakNa affect molten lava rolls?

I guess I've always assumed it would be powers/abilities only. But after reading the card again, it would seem like there is a strong argument for any D20 roll.

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Re: Does SuBakNa affect molten lava rolls?

You know, I was just about to post that I agree with Snotwalker that Su-Bak-Na's bonus only applies to the Marro abilities, but the verbiage of the card isn't as clear cut as I thought.

In the synergy section of the Book of Su-Bak-Na, it only lists the Marro/Winsulu that have D20 abilities. Marro Drudge, for example, are not listed. Could that be an indicator that they don't get the +1 bonus for non-ability related rolls?

I know the Books are hardly law, but it's a starting point.

EDIT: On second glance, Wo-Sa-Ga isn't on the list either. It could be the book just isn't accurate.


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Re: Does SuBakNa affect molten lava rolls?

I would think that it counts toward any D20 roll directly affecting Marro (an all marro army, for example, wouldn't get +1 Initiative).

In any case, that's the way I play. Not all marro have a D20 ability, so this way it helps them all (even if the situation doesn't come up very often).

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Re: Does SuBakNa affect molten lava rolls?

It says for any marro/wulsinu army card, not special powers or attacks.....I read it as anytime that army card/s rolls the 20 sider they may add 1. I would say yes it does help with the lava roll.

EDIT and i disagree with you on the initiative holylink. its you as a player that you are rolling for not for any specific card.
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Re: Does SuBakNa affect molten lava rolls?

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It says for any marro/wulsinu army card, not special powers or attacks.....I read it as anytime that army card/s rolls the 20 sider they may add 1. I would say yes it does help with the lava roll.

Technically you would want to SUBTRACT 1 when rolling for lava damage.
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I would think that it counts toward any D20 roll directly affecting Marro (an all marro army, for example, wouldn't get +1 Initiative).

In any case, that's the way I play. Not all marro have a D20 ability, so this way it helps them all (even if the situation doesn't come up very often).
I would not expect it to count on an initiative roll, even with an all Marro army.

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It says for any marro/wulsinu army card, not special powers or attacks.....I read it as anytime that army card/s rolls the 20 sider they may add 1. I would say yes it does help with the lava roll.

Technically you would want to SUBTRACT 1 when rolling for lava damage.
Why's that? A 20 means you survive, so you want to add.
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Re: Does SuBakNa affect molten lava rolls?

Thanks for posting the card, Cav. I've always thought it was for any D-20 roll a marro/wulsinu makes, but the wording does give pause.

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Hive Supremacy
Anytime you roll the 20-sided die for a Marro or Wulsinu Army Card, you may add 1 to your die roll.
The wording seems odd. You don't roll water clone for the Marro Warriors card, you roll for each figure. If it said "any Marro or Wulsinu figure you control" it would be clear, or if it said "for any power or ability on a Marro or Wulsinu Army card" it would also be clear.

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Nice points, Cheddar. The Book thing may have been a conscious decision, or they just may not have been thinking about these other possibilities. (How often do you jump in lava?)

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edit to add: It doesn't count toward the initiative roll. (I think holylink was also saying it didn't count.) That's YOU rolling, and you're not Marro/Wulsinu, even if you dress up like one for conventions.

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Re: Does SuBakNa affect molten lava rolls?

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I would think that it counts toward any D20 roll directly affecting Marro (an all marro army, for example, wouldn't get +1 Initiative).

In any case, that's the way I play. Not all marro have a D20 ability, so this way it helps them all (even if the situation doesn't come up very often).
I would not expect it to count on an initiative roll, even with an all Marro army.

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It says for any marro/wulsinu army card, not special powers or attacks.....I read it as anytime that army card/s rolls the 20 sider they may add 1. I would say yes it does help with the lava roll.

Technically you would want to SUBTRACT 1 when rolling for lava damage.
Why's that? A 20 means you survive, so you want to add.




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Re: Does SuBakNa affect molten lava rolls?

My opinion:

No, SBN's Hive Supremacy does not affect molten lava rolls. Rolling for molten lava damage is not rolling the "20-sided die for a Marro or Wulsinu Army Card". It is rolling the 20-sided die for the molten lava.

So, in essence, it is the molten lava that is rolling, not the Marro/Wulsinu.

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EDIT and i disagree with you on the initiative holylink. its you as a player that you are rolling for not for any specific card.
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I would not expect it to count on an initiative roll, even with an all Marro army.
I said you wouldn't get the +1 to initiative.

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