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Old August 10th, 2018, 02:37 PM
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Re: The Book of Chucky (Charles Lee Ray) (Initial Playtestin

If we let him take LEAs when he's Inanimate, that means he'd never have to take the marker off. Unless we change how the marker is removed. Then once it's removed, we still run into the same issues of him being easily countered and dominated.
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Old August 10th, 2018, 02:40 PM
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Re: The Book of Chucky (Charles Lee Ray) (Initial Playtestin

Not let him take LEAs when he's inaminate, let him make LEAs.

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Old August 10th, 2018, 02:43 PM
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Re: The Book of Chucky (Charles Lee Ray) (Initial Playtestin

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Not let him take LEAs when he's inaminate, let him make LEAs.
Based on the content of the argument, I think that's what he thought you meant anyway.


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Old August 10th, 2018, 02:50 PM
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Re: The Book of Chucky (Charles Lee Ray) (Initial Playtestin

Yes, I know what you meant, and the issue still stands. So I'll reiterate:

If we let him make LEAs when he's Inanimate, that means he'd never have to take the marker off. Unless we change how the marker is removed. Then once it's removed, we still run into the same issues of him being easily countered and dominated.
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Re: The Book of Chucky (Charles Lee Ray) (Initial Playtestin

I'm confused. What is making him take the marker off now?

Isn't it an opportunity to attack? How does that change?

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Old August 10th, 2018, 03:16 PM
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Re: The Book of Chucky (Charles Lee Ray) (Initial Playtestin

Just trying to see if I can offer anything here...not sure I can but hey it's worth a shot...

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My point is, Clingy on Chucky isn't as good as it is on Ragdoll, as the opponent can avoid LEAs when he's Inanimate, and when not Inanimate, Chucky has to potentially take LEAs himself if he wants to use it, so the opponent could potentially get around it easier. Get Chucky to blow his marker, then get adjacent to a bunch of your own allies, then Chucky is SOL. He can't choose to put the marker back on, so just dumping him off engaged with others means he's now effectively worthless and no need to really attack him.
Q1: How can you get him to burn his marker and then make him SOL...he gets to choose when to reveal himself right? He only burns his marker when he makes the boosted attack...

Q2: ... and then he gets the marker when receiving a wound. So even being surrounded by other figures he only has to worry about one attack and then he gets his marker and his immunity back?

So if you could humor me and explain what else I'm missing. Don't be frustrated I'm really attempting to help here and I'm in no way trying to be condescending.

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Re: The Book of Chucky (Charles Lee Ray) (Initial Playtestin

I think what Arkham is saying is that if Chucky can move around with Clingy without ever taking a turn himself and make LEAs, he can deal damage to people while being immune to all attacks and using no OMs.

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Re: The Book of Chucky (Charles Lee Ray) (Initial Playtestin

I kind of feel like the theory-scaping has gotten a little carried away. I'd like to see us go back to something closer to what Arkham first called the initial vote on and see a design like that in action to better get an idea of what needs to be tweaked rather than the major redesign we seem to have undergone.
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Re: The Book of Chucky (Charles Lee Ray) (Initial Playtestin

This is what I understand:

Arkham says Chucky has a problem. He is not threatening when he is not inaminate as if he tries to cling to an enemy, the enemy can make Chucky take a bunch of LEAs.

Possible solutions to problem:

Make Chucky more threatening when not inanimate.
Make Chucky not take LEAs when he is not inanimate.

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Old August 10th, 2018, 03:23 PM
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Re: The Book of Chucky (Charles Lee Ray) (Initial Playtestin

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I think what Arkham is saying is that if Chucky can move around with Clingy without ever taking a turn himself and make LEAs, he can deal damage to people while being immune to all attacks and using no OMs.
See I thought it was the opposite...He was worried that Chucky can't get toted around for free since he can take LEA damage.

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Re: The Book of Chucky (Charles Lee Ray) (Initial Playtestin

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I kind of feel like the theory-scaping has gotten a little carried away. I'd like to see us go back to something closer to what Arkham first called the initial vote on and see a design like that in action to better get an idea of what needs to be tweaked rather than the major redesign we seem to have undergone.
My understanding is that the changed was initiated by a comment from the CRB...so if that's not a reason to be re-explore then I'm not sure what would be.


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This is what I understand:

Arkham says Chucky has a problem. He is not threatening when he is not inaminate as if he tries to cling to an enemy, the enemy can make Chucky take a bunch of LEAs.
@Arkham ...taking out the possible solutions proposed...is this indeed your concern?

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Re: The Book of Chucky (Charles Lee Ray) (Initial Playtestin

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Make Chucky more threatening when not inanimate.
I think the issue with what you're suggesting, here, is that means that, when inanimate, Chucky becomes the ultimate lockdown figure when it comes to LEAs - unkillable, follows you constantly and makes you pay whenever you try to move. The CRB would have a fit.


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