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Re: The Book of Batman (Bruce Wayne) (JL II) (Public Test)

Looking good so far.

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Re: The Book of Batman (Bruce Wayne) (JL II) (Public Test)

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NAME OF THE PLAYTEST UNIT: Batman (JL/Champion)

Army Test
Map: Conflict Chernobyl
Units:
Batman, Mongul, Liu Kang, Green Arrow (JL) (1000pts)
Fan 4 (1000pts)

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Army Test
Map: Conflict Chernobyl
Units:
Batman, Mongul, Liu Kang, Green Arrow (JL) (1000pts)
Fan 4 (1000pts)

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Army Test
Map: Conflict Chernobyl
Units:
Batman, Mongul, Liu Kang, Green Arrow (JL) (1000pts)
Fan 4 (1000pts)

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Army Test
Map: Conflict Cherobyl
Units:
Superman (JLA), Captain Marvel (Carol), Batman (1000pts)
Orig X-Men (1000pts)
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Army Test
Map: Conflict Cherobyl
Units:
Superman (JLA), Captain Marvel (Carol), Batman (1000pts)
Orig X-Men (1000pts)

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THOUGHTS ON THE TESTED UNIT'S COST, BALANCE, & DRAFTABILITY:
Never really made any impact on any game he was in, other than possibly taking up a spot better used for another character in his army.

GENERAL THOUGHTS ON THE TESTED UNIT:
Very possible I may just not have access to units that unlock his true potential, but in my games, he was largely ineffectual and inactive, and generally, not like Batman. I like the theme, and if he were a Vigilante, I’d pair him with Lady Shiva in a Ninja or Assassin army, have him be Bruce Wayne in the League of Shadows.

Compared to other 190 point heroes, he didn’t really bring anything to his teams. Assess Weakness’ Before Moving paired with its low range makes it very difficult to set up, and having him once per round attack an engaged figure that allowed him to use At the Ready adds even more difficulty to pull off. Combined with the low dice of his attack, even managing to pull it off doesn’t often pay off.

I would consider allowing him to move either Normally or with Bat Grapple on At the Ready, possibly increasing his range on At the Ready and increasing his attack. I failed on his Assess Weakness roll enough, but -3 defense is pretty great, so I’m fine with it being 50/50.
Thinking he’s good on testing. He’s gone 3-7-1, with the losses generally being by bigger margins than the wins, and the wins not being due to him. May need a small bump to stay at 190?
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Re: The Book of Batman (Bruce Wayne) (JL II) (Public Test)

What would you put his points at right now?
I like the idea of going even lower if we are going for the lowest cost Batman if he plays OK.
Or does 190 fit mathematically?
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Re: The Book of Batman (Bruce Wayne) (JL II) (Public Test)

190 works for a lot of army builds for the faction, was the main draw. Lower may work as well, but I’m not sure if as much.

Points wise, 170-180 feels likely. I think a very slight tweak could boost him to 190. Either Defense to 6 or Attack to 3 would likely do the trick. Toyhandle’s option of allowing him to use his regular movement on At the Ready could help get him into action quicker could potentially work.
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Right on. Those all sound like solid options.
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Re: The Book of Batman (Bruce Wayne) (JL II) (Public Test)

I like the option of him being able to use his normal movement. Batman insisting on using his Bat-Grapple when traversing a flat plain does seem a little goofy.
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Normal move option sounds good. Would that for sure get him to 190, though?

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Old March 27th, 2021, 06:09 PM
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Re: The Book of Batman (Bruce Wayne) (JL II) (Public Test)

Not entirely sure. There’s lots of 180-190 point figures that probably still dwarf him a bit by comparison in terms of usefulness and draftability. I don’t think it’d be terribly unreasonable to do a bump to 3 attack and the normal movement option at 190.

Kraven has better stats and similar value in terms of powers, and he’s 200, so 190 with 2 fewer life than him seems like it’s not pushing it.
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NAME = KRAVEN
SECRET IDENTITY = SERGEI KRAVINOFF

SPECIES = HUMAN
UNIQUENESS = UNIQUE HERO
CLASS = HUNTER
PERSONALITY = SINISTER

SIZE/HEIGHT = MEDIUM 5

LIFE = 6

MOVE = 7
RANGE = 5
ATTACK = 3
DEFENSE = 5

POINTS = 200


BIG GAME TRACKER
At the start of the game, you may choose one opponent's Unique or Event Hero to be Kraven's Prey. When a numbered Order Marker is revealed on the Prey's card, you may immediately move Kraven up to 3 spaces. When moving with Big Game Tracker, Kraven is never attacked when leaving engagements. If Kraven attacks his Prey, he may attack his Prey one additional time.

BOLAS 12
Start the game with a brown Bolas Marker on this card. After moving and before attacking, if your Bolas Marker is on this card, you may choose a small, medium, or large figure within 4 clear sight spaces. Roll the 20-sided die. If you roll 12 or higher and the chosen figure is a Unique Hero, place your Bolas Marker on the chosen figure's card. Affected figures that are not Unique Heroes receive a wound. A chosen figure that has your Bolas Marker on its card cannot move and must roll 2 fewer defense dice. When the chosen figure receives a wound or is destroyed, place your Bolas Marker back on this card.

NERVE PUNCH
When attacking an opponent's adjacent figure with a normal attack, add one automatic skull to whatever is rolled. If Kraven inflicts one or more wounds on an adjacent Unique Hero with a normal attack, you may immediately remove one unrevealed Order Marker at random from the defending figure's Army Card.

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Re: The Book of Batman (Bruce Wayne) (JL II) (Public Test)

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NAME = BATMAN
SECRET IDENTITY = BRUCE WAYNE

SPECIES = HUMAN
UNIQUENESS = UNIQUE HERO
CLASS = CHAMPION
PERSONALITY = DRIVEN

SIZE/HEIGHT = MEDIUM 5

LIFE = 4

MOVE = 6
RANGE = 5
ATTACK = 3
DEFENSE = 5

POINTS = 190


AT THE READY
Start the game with a Glyph of Utility: Bat-Grapple on this card. Batman cannot lose this glyph by receiving wounds unless he is destroyed. Instead of moving normally with a friendly Unique Hero, Batman may move or use his Bat-Grapple. Once per round, after using At the Ready, Batman may attack a figure engaged with that Hero.

ASSESS WEAKNESS 11
Before moving with Batman, you may choose a figure within 2 clear sight spaces and roll the 20-sided die. If you roll 11 or higher and Batman attacks the chosen figure with his normal attack this turn, it subtracts 3 from its Defense number, or 6 from its Defense number if it is a destructible object.

NERVE PUNCH
When attacking an opponent's adjacent figure with a normal attack, add one automatic skull to whatever is rolled. If Batman inflicts one or more wounds on an adjacent Unique Hero with a normal attack, you may immediately remove one unrevealed Order Marker at random from the defending figure's Army Card.
Army Test 1
Map: Conflict Chernobyl
Units:
Batman(190), Cap(240), Ms. Marvel(350), Winter Soldier II(240) (1020)
vs.
Star-Lord(250), Nebula(240), Gamora II(300), Phoenix(230) (1020)
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Army Test 2
Map: Conflict Chernobyl
Units:
Batman(190), Wonder Woman(310), Black Canary(220), Green Lantern(John)(280) (1000)
vs.
Luke Cage(190), Iron Fist(260), Moon Knight(150), Shang-Chi(230), Tigra(170) (1000)
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Army Test 3
Map: Conflict Chernobyl
Units:
Batman(190), Wonder Woman(310), Green Lantern(John)(280), Superman(380) (1160)
vs.
Cap(240), Ms. Marvel(350), Winter Soldier II(240), Super Soldier(330) (1160)
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Re: The Book of Batman (Bruce Wayne) (JL II) (Public Test)

Pretty close games, 1 win and 2 losses after the slight bump. Felt fine in each match and plenty usable.

I propose a vote to move to Final Editing.
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Re: The Book of Batman (Bruce Wayne) (JL II) (Vote Final Edi

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