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Old September 10th, 2018, 09:52 AM
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Re: The Book of Daredevil II - Breathing

True, there's still some possibility for a melee figure to end up with a ranged attack.

I'm not sure if he could actually attack invisible or intangible figures, as-worded.

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Unless the 'that require clear sight' bit also applies to attacks?

I'd always read the power like this:

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Invisible Woman can move through all figures, is never attacked when leaving an engagement, and cannot be targeted by opponents' non-adjacent figures for any [attacks] or [special powers that require clear sight].
But maybe it's meant to be more like this?

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Invisible Woman can move through all figures, is never attacked when leaving an engagement, and cannot be targeted by opponents' non-adjacent figures for any [attacks or special powers] that require clear sight.
Intangibility is written more like the way I understood Invisibility:

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Old September 10th, 2018, 10:25 AM
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Re: The Book of Daredevil II - Breathing

I read the wording as the second one where attacks that require clear sight are dodged. A rules clarification could help.

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Re: The Book of Daredevil II - Breathing

Both powers are only intended to deny attacks that require clear sight.

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Re: The Book of Daredevil II - Breathing

Hmm. Might be worth clarifying that if we end up making any targeting-centric updates.

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Re: The Book of Daredevil II - Breathing

Probably worth clarifying now if they weren’t reading correctly to you!

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Re: The Book of Daredevil II - Breathing

Yeah, the shadow tile stuff came about when I realized a blind character without a ranged attack couldn't actually make use of the Blind Warrior power other than from the keyword immunity. Then it donned on me that the Shadow Tiles give a defense bonus based on a visual impairment, and a blind swordsman wouldn't care if you were in shadow or bright light. I imagine most blind warriors will not have a ranged attack option on their card, but then you make a good point about picking up a potential weapon's glyph and gaining a ranged option.

I don't know how to clarify that you still need to physically be able to draw a LOS from target point to target to make an attack, but a special power on a card that makes you untargetable is negated. That is what we are trying to accomplish though, Invisible Woman can still be struck even though she's invisible as long as their is no wall in between you and her.

I suppose Intangible figures work differently though, they just can't be hit even by those who can see them. Maybe being blind and throwing something at them catches them by surprise though and they don't de-materialize fast enough? Perhaps the solution is not to make Blind Warrior try and cancel invisibility powers, but have invisibility powers reference Blind Warrior as being immune to the invisible effect?
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Re: The Book of Daredevil II - Breathing

Martian Manhunter's Intangibility was really meant to fold aspects of Invisibility into it as well (since he has both powers). None of our Intangible figures are always Intangible and it's based on clear sight, so I have no problems with a blind person being able to strike them, since the clear sight denial doesn't affect them.

I was fine with your rationalization that they can bounce things around walls, etc. That stuff constantly happens in comics.

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Re: The Book of Daredevil II - Breathing

Sounds like what I was trying to do with Rom might help here. How does this work?

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Re: The Book of Daredevil II - Breathing

That would give us this:


BLIND WARRIOR

Daredevil cannot be prevented from choosing a figure to attack by any special power on any Army Card or Glyph. When Daredevil attacks a figure on a Shadow Tile, that figure does not receive any additional defense dice for the Shadow Tile.

I think I like this direction best for a general purpose blind use. As I understand it, it would also prevent things like Daring Decoy from forcing your hand too?

DARING DECOY
Figures engaged with Wasp can only attack figures that have the Daring Decoy special power.

That makes it more blind melee fighter relevant while also remaining relevant for those few blind figures that do have a ranged attack trying to attack Sue.

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Re: The Book of Daredevil II - Breathing

Yeah, I think that works. I guess if you're blind decoys don't mean as much.

There are probably a few interactions we should check to make sure they're clear (Heroic Duty?) but I think it's on the right path.

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Re: The Book of Daredevil II - Breathing

Seems alright to me. I'm not exactly sure how the wording should be, but the intent lines up.

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Re: The Book of Daredevil II - Breathing

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That would give us this:


BLIND WARRIOR

Daredevil cannot be prevented from choosing a figure to attack by any special power on any Army Card or Glyph. When Daredevil attacks a figure on a Shadow Tile, that figure does not receive any additional defense dice for the Shadow Tile.
This makes sense to me.

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