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Old December 21st, 2017, 09:36 PM
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Re: The Book of White Tiger (Ava Ayala) - Initial Playtestin

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When I originally suggested that bit it was a must, as in "you must roll and must go attack your teammates" we turned away from that, so it's sort of a fossil at this point.
ahhh...I missed that the whole way.

Would I want it to be everything I love...sure...but that's just not realistic so I'm going to focus on finding things that will make me unhappy and work on fixing those.
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Old December 22nd, 2017, 12:28 AM
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Re: The Book of White Tiger (Ava Ayala) - Initial Playtestin

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WHITE TIGER POSSESSION
If there are 3 or more Wound Markers on this card, White Tiger is considered Possessed and all other special powers on this card are negated. While White Tiger is is Possesed, when she attacks normally or defends against any attack, you may count all blanks rolled as extra skulls or extra shields. After attacking with White Tiger, if she is Possessed, roll the 20-sided die. If you roll 16 or higher, White Tiger may move up to 2 spaces and attack again.
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WHITE TIGER POSSESSION
If there are 3 or more Wound Markers on this card, all other special powers on this card are negated and:
-When White Tiger attacks with a normal attack, count all blanks rolled as extra skulls.
-When White Tiger defends against any attack, count all blanks rolled as extra shields.
-After attacking with White Tiger, roll the 20-sided die. If you roll 16 or higher, White Tiger may move up to 2 spaces and attack again.
Probably prefer the bulleted one. I just stripped the 'must' language out of the multi-attack because trying to do a bunch of must/if-possible stuff seems like clutter that doesn't add a ton of theme.
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Old December 22nd, 2017, 12:44 AM
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Re: The Book of White Tiger (Ava Ayala) - Initial Playtestin

Yeah I think I like the bulleted one as well. It allows for an easier change out if the defense thing doesn't work out.

Would I want it to be everything I love...sure...but that's just not realistic so I'm going to focus on finding things that will make me unhappy and work on fixing those.
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Re: The Book of White Tiger (Ava Ayala) - Initial Playtestin

I agree that bulleted one works best. Good job people!

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Re: The Book of White Tiger (Ava Ayala) - Initial Playtestin

C3G INITIAL PLAYTEST FEEDBACK FORM

NAME OF THE TEST UNIT White Tiger (Ava Ayala)

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Army Test 1
Map: Abandoned Missile Base
Units:
White Tiger @ 160, Luke Cage, Wolverine, Iron Man IV, Firestar (1000)
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Fantastic Four
Spoiler Alert!


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Army Test 2
Map: Abandoned Missile Base
Units:
White Tiger @ 160, Luke Cage, Wolverine, Tigra (800)
vs.
Wrecking Crew

Spoiler Alert!


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Army Test 3
Map: Abandoned Missile Base
Units:
White Tiger @ 160, Luke Cage, Wolverine, Tigra (800)
vs.
Wrecking Crew

Spoiler Alert!


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THOUGHTS ON THE TESTED UNIT'S COST, BALANCE, & DRAFTABILITY:
She now feels more like I was expecting. She's kind of snipey jumping in and getting a few shots in and bounding away. Her possession doesn't really last long since it kicks in usually when she's one life left. But it is a new play style once it kicks in. She's way more aggressive.

Would I want it to be everything I love...sure...but that's just not realistic so I'm going to focus on finding things that will make me unhappy and work on fixing those.

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Old January 16th, 2018, 12:24 AM
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Re: The Book of White Tiger (Ava Ayala) - Initial Playtestin

Sorry guys, I know this one is taking me forever but I'm really having a hard time getting excited with this set of power. I can't place exactly what it is which is making it even harder. I really like the possession power but the rest of it seems...I don't know. I compare it to Wonder Woman II in my mind and both sides of WW are cool and fun and they feel like a warrior that gets enraged...

With Ava I want her to feel leapy and hit an runny at first and then full on aggressive. This feels off because you want to leap into engagement and stay engaged for her defensive bonus so if feels like she's aggressive and then aggressive with a boost. I'd like her to feel personality wise different between possessed and regular.

I'm open to suggestions or convincing either way.

Would I want it to be everything I love...sure...but that's just not realistic so I'm going to focus on finding things that will make me unhappy and work on fixing those.
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Re: The Book of White Tiger (Ava Ayala) - Initial Playtestin

You could switch out Leaping Agility for Bug's defensive power, or something like it.
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Old January 16th, 2018, 01:21 AM
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Re: The Book of White Tiger (Ava Ayala) - Initial Playtestin

I was thinking about how to make her more effective close in since that's how her defense power worked and could figure anything out and I believe I was locked in on something that was preventing me from getting anywhere...Thanks Ronin that at least broke my trance and gets me more where I want. I Think I'm looking for a hit and run aspect.


AGILE REFLEXES
When rolling defense dice against a normal non-adjacent attack with White Tiger, add one automatic shield to whatever is rolled. After rolling attack dice for a normal attack or after rolling defense dice, for each shield rolled you may immediately move White Tiger one space up to 6 levels up or down.

DISENGAGE
White Tiger is never attacked when leaving an engagement

Does this make her too annoying?

I guess it's also not much different than this.

ACROBATIC MOVEMENT
White Tiger never takes falling damage and is never attacked when leaving an engagement. After rolling attack dice for a normal attack or after rolling defense dice, for each shield rolled you may immediately move White Tiger one space up to 6 levels up or down.

AGILE REFLEXES (DOES THIS POWER ALREADY HAVE A NAME?)
When rolling defense dice against a normal non-adjacent attack with White Tiger, add one automatic shield to whatever is rolled.


Don't want stealth Dodge or any one shield defense...

This combo lets her hit and run and makes the attacker want to chase her...once she takes a hit or two she goes all possessed fury and no longer tries to dodge and weave and just unloads.

In general terms I want her to have a defensive boost from range so the opponent wants to engage her but let her be able to bounce away after attacking or getting hit the first time.

Would I want it to be everything I love...sure...but that's just not realistic so I'm going to focus on finding things that will make me unhappy and work on fixing those.
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Old January 16th, 2018, 09:12 AM
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Re: The Book of White Tiger (Ava Ayala) - Initial Playtestin

I like the Acrobatic Movement/Agile Reflexes combo (not sure if we've used that power before under a different name or not. Can't think of any)

I'd probably let Agile Reflexes work against special attacks, if only because Acrobatic Movement triggers when you defend against special attacks. It makes it easier to remember how she works.
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Re: The Book of White Tiger (Ava Ayala) - Initial Playtestin

OK, that worked...much more fun to play her and she feels better. Just did a couple of quick 1v1 test. She had a great battle with Hawkeye I. Being able to attack him and use any skulls rolled on her attack to move away so he couldn't get his CCE free skull in was great and allowed her to use her defense to dodge his ranged attack and then jump back to engagement with him.

She won both games against him but it wasn't a blow out so I'm confident she will come in under 200 but above 150 and more importantly she was fun.

Would I want it to be everything I love...sure...but that's just not realistic so I'm going to focus on finding things that will make me unhappy and work on fixing those.
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Re: The Book of White Tiger (Ava Ayala) - Initial Playtestin

Awesome japes. Glad she is feeling better play-wise.
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Re: The Book of White Tiger (Ava Ayala) - Initial Playtestin

First army test vs Fantastic Four...it was a fun loss. Probably not as close as the final seems but it didn't really feel like they were hopeless either.

Would I want it to be everything I love...sure...but that's just not realistic so I'm going to focus on finding things that will make me unhappy and work on fixing those.
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