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Old June 25th, 2019, 09:32 PM
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Re: [Pod 0] UNIT NAME (Lantern Geists) - Design

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I like getting grid of "if that Hero was not previously placed with Last Will" so that you could take a turn with the same hero twice - once for each Lantern Geist. This way you could use them mid-game, or are we just making these cleanup figures only after you already have 2 heroes dead. Also maybe give them crazy defense (4-5 plus Insubstantial 2-3) so that they can be almost guaranteed 2 turns once you bring them out.
Since it is limited to two figures (give or take reviving one with a glyph), I don't think that would be terrible. However, it does kind of fly in the face of Last Will to use the same hero multiple times. Not that the power name is set in stone yet, though.

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For Viking and Wolf Spirits, we have to figure out if there's a difference between placing them with their own Spirit power (bonus) and Last Will (possibly no bonus). Either way it seems they'd be eligible to be removed from the card for a free turn (meaning a Spirit could get to the Geists after being destroyed anywhere on the board, not just within 4 spaces, which has a certain thematic connection at least). Once that's figured out, taking them off the card means the card is no longer getting a bonus. When they're destroyed by Last Will, they can then go on any card again to provide a bonus.
I agree with this interpretation, but more I'm concerned about whether this interaction is too complex for a decently common power. We won't be seeing kids picking this up in the stores anymore, but I'd prefer to avoid needing anyone to look up a R&C clarifying these steps if they pick up our set and Rise of the Valkyrie or one of the expansions.
I don’t think this is too much of a stretch - once you actually sit down and logic out the sequence of events gets its obvious. But I do share your concern. I don’t know if there’s a better solution, though.
I think it mostly ends up being a case of "do what the card says, not what it doesn't say." Since Last Will just says to remove the hero without caring about how it got there, Vikings, etc. would work fine whether they came via the Geists' power or their own.


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Re: [Pod 0] UNIT NAME (Lantern Geists) - Design

I like Last Will as written in the OP.


For stats, I like 2A 5D the most. 5D gives them enough defense to survive to use Last Will.


Are we ok to send this to editing? End of turn concerns aside, I see no reason why we should not use the C3V/SoV precedent for end of turn powers being triggered in the order the player wishes, as AotV is meant to be an extension of their canon anyways.

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Re: [Pod 0] UNIT NAME (Lantern Geists) - Design

I think we're pretty settled on 5M and 2A. Defense needs to be decided between 4 and 5. We also need a definitive name and ballpark on points. Right now I'd say 40-50 depending on Defense.


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Re: [Pod 0] UNIT NAME (Lantern Geists) - Design

I came up with Honored Soulguides, so I’m still a fan of that.
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Re: [Pod 0] UNIT NAME (Lantern Geists) - Design

My thoughts on the name haven't changed:

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I was researching suitable Norse-inspired names, but I'm not finding many compelling options. My favorite so far is Huginn and Muninn, Odin's two ravens that represent him sending his mind and thought out into the world, but it's not a perfect name in the way that I would like. Valkyries were known to carry warriors on to the afterlife, but that is hardly a naming option for HeroScape's version of Valhalla.

I think that we might be better off with just keeping Honored Soulguides (or even something like Ancestral Guides or some other variation) rather than trying to link it to the actual Valhalla. I'm fine with keeping the name Honored Soulguides as the final name if it doesn't bother anyone.
I think that 5 or 4 defense should be decided pending playtesting. I'm more inclined to start at 4 and only bump it up if they're proving that the fragility is too much of a problem, although I think that 5D would necessitate a higher price point than the 50-ish range. 50 points with 4D is where I would suggest we start at.
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Re: [Pod 0] HONORED SOUL-GUIDES (Lantern Geists) - Design

I'm OK with the name (what do you think of adding the hyphen?) and starting 4D/50 points.


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Re: [Pod 0] HONORED SOUL-GUIDES (Lantern Geists) - Design

I think I’d have to see the Hypen on the card first, but I have no issues with it right now.

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Re: [Pod 0] HONORED SOUL-GUIDES (Lantern Geists) - Design

I'm not really a fan of the hyphen, but I'm not terribly opposed to it either. I'd be fine with whatever looks best on the card.
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Re: [Pod 0] HONORED SOUL-GUIDES (Lantern Geists) - Design

This is a really novel design.

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Re: [Pod 0] HONORED SOUL-GUIDES (Lantern Geists) - Design

Thanks for the bump, caps.

Are we comfortable with formally sending this to Editing?
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Re: [Pod 0] HONORED SOUL-GUIDES (Lantern Geists) - Design

I am. Let’s do it

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Re: [Pod 0] HONORED SOUL-GUIDES (Lantern Geists) - Design

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This is a really novel design.
Agreed. Very unique thematic direction.

Make that a formal vote @Astroking112 and it's a yea from me.


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