The Book of Bumblebee

[Tornado]

There is another small Bumblebee at Walmart for like $8 right now that would work as well. Not as good looking.

[IAmBatman]

If the official figure we're using is single-spaced, he's single-spaced. Is that what this debate is about (I skimmed)?

[Tornado]

Yeah.
Some people would prefer double spaced though.
I think the best option here is to plan on Bee II being double spaced Huge camaro version.

Still could use some input on points here. Bats and the calculator said 230-240. L_O thinks more like 180-190. Thinking about starting some Heavy Hitters at 200.

[IAmBatman]

Not sure how much you'll get out of heavy hitters with all three of his powers being ally dependent. Other than the disengage aspect, heavy hitters will just be testing his base stats.

[Lazy Orang]

Yeah, I'd do three Army Tests here and skip the Heavy Hitters - Bumblebee seems like a support piece.

[Karat]

Originally Posted by Lazy Orang

Yeah, I'd do three Army Tests here and skip the Heavy Hitters - Bumblebee seems like a support piece.

I'll try and get you a points analysis a little later tonight.

[Tornado]

Thanks Karat.

[Yodaking]

In all honesty, the figure we settled on here could be a little bigger, and I think there may be some figures out there that are slightly larger without being significantly larger, but even with a slightly bigger figure he really should still be a single based figure like Giant-Man and Ghost Rider on a Motorcycle. If anyone wants to buy some of the other figures available in stores now and get them on a hex map to see if they can work as single based figures, we can list them as acceptable alternates if the official one is becoming more difficult to find.

[Yodaking]

On the cost here, I've found that the points calculator seems to regularly come in 20-40 points higher than what figures end up getting passed at so I'd start somewhere around 200 and adjust from there.

This would be my first test:

Optimus Prime 410
Punisher 180
Bee 210 ..........800

Depending on how that goes would determine where I ran the next test.

[IAmBatman]

Which figures are most worth using Carry on? I would think someone with passive defense over Punisher.

[Karat]

I'd ballpark him around 210-220. His OM management and extra move are good but not great
The disengage is what really bumps the usefulness of that power, followed by the OM management. I'd say that's worth around 45 points all together. Carry is a dang good.power no matter who has it and is probably worth another 30. The range bonus, though limited, is super helpful and is worth 25. Bringing us up to 100 just off of the powers. Being Large (or Huge) gives some inherent benefits and negatives and is probably worth another 15. He has 5 life, 6 life, and 5 defense. All of which are better than average worth about another 65. His rang and attack are about average and worth about another 30. Which brings the grand total to 210 which is probably where I'd start.

Originally Posted by IAmBatman

Which figures are most worth using Carry on? I would think someone with passive defense over Punisher.

That depends on what you are tying to do. If you're trying to setup a kill box, then someone like Punisher would be your best choice. If you're trying to setup a defensive pod someone more like Sue or Beat Cops would be the best choice.

[Yodaking]

Yeah, I'm an aggressive player rather then a defense pod type of guy, so carrying Punisher up to High Ground as quickly as possible while boosting him further via Prime is more my lane. Bringing someone who can also boost Bee's defense isn't a bad though though, so maybe carry around Bane for both an att. and def. bonus whereever Bee goes? Not sure how potent Bizzarro is after the nerf, but maybe carrying him around could be effective too, but then you need to maximize the other aspect of his scouting (if you are not carrying up a potent offensive option into the battle) and boost someone's ranged attack. Not a ton of Cybertronian options right now to boost the range of though. How do you all feel about letting him boost the range of any figure with a base range of 4+ instead of limiting it to Cybertronians. Then you could try boosting the range of some Archers or something.