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Re: The Book of Puppet Master

When figures that are Weak Minded attack Puppet Master does it add to the roll?
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Re: The Book of Puppet Master

I would say no, just because you're rolling the 20-sided die to do some other effect and then as a consequence of that roll you take control of the figure. The roll is not specifically or primarily to take control of the figure.

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Re: The Book of Puppet Master

I totally disagree with Bats here.

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Re: The Book of Puppet Master

I understand what you’re saying Bats I just think from a thematic standpoint it makes sense.
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Re: The Book of Puppet Master

Hmm... the power does mention taking control, but only after the initial effect. It seems like it would be more thematic if it did, and whatver the case actually is (I genuinely don't know), it's definitely not clear, so I'm wondering if it's worth tweaking the wording around a bit.


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Re: The Book of Puppet Master

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I totally disagree with Bats here.
Well, you tend to be better at parsing rules text than I am, so have at it with an explanation.

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Re: The Book of Puppet Master

I like the idea of Reactive Mind Control working better on the Weak Minded, seems thematically on point, but I'm not sure from a rules perspective as it is currently written out. Bats' argument is a valid one that the d20 roll is to prevent the attack rather then to take control. I can see an equally valid argument being made that taking control is what prevents the attack, so the d20 roll is actually to take control of the attacking figure. Since the power name itself references Mind Control, I think I would rule Weak-Minded was in play here if I were mid-game.

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WEAK-MINDED 2
If any player rolls the 20-sided die to take temporary or permanent control of Rhino, that player may add 2 to the roll.
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Re: The Book of Puppet Master

You have to read the whole power:

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REACTIVE MIND CONTROL 8
If Puppet Master is targeted and attacked by an opponent's figure that does not have the Mental Shield special power, roll the 20-sided die. If you roll 8 or higher, Puppet Master takes no damage and the opponent's turn immediately ends. Take temporary control of the attacking figure. Move the attacking figure up to 4 spaces then return control of the figure to the player who controlled it before the Reactive Mind Control. Figures moved with this special power will not take any leaving engagement attacks.
Yes, you roll the 20-sided die for Reactive Mind Control and yes, it lets you take temporary control, so yes, you may add 2 to the roll.

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Re: The Book of Puppet Master

Ehh ... I think there's at least gray area. You're not rolling for just that. You're rolling for that and for something else together, so is it still that individually?

I'm ultimately fine with your ruling, though. Should definitely be an FAQ, though, because it's pretty easy to read either way, IMO.

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Re: The Book of Puppet Master

The power has to be taken as one thing. Do you really want to parse every sentence of every power? That path leads to Crazyville.

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Re: The Book of Puppet Master

I think I'm already down that path. You have my faith. Care to write up the FAQ?

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Re: The Book of Puppet Master

Because Reactive Mind Control 8 is a special power that lets you take temporary control of a figure, you may add to that roll if the attacking figure is Weak-minded.

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