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Old September 6th, 2022, 09:04 AM
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Re: The Book of Reed Richards (Visionary) - Playtesting

What about something like this?

FANTASTIC CONTINGENCY
When a glyph placed by Reed’s Visionary Theoretician special power would be lost, you may instead remove it from the game. When an Army Card you control has all of its figures destroyed, before removing that figure from the battlefield, you may move any Order Markers from that card to any other card you control.

Forget the hard to pull off/swingy wounding part with the glyph and just make it so he's able to obsolete the tech when it falls into the wrong hands. Feels more like a contingency that way, IMO, and less like a trap, plus it streamlines the power quite a bit.

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Old September 6th, 2022, 05:47 PM
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Re: The Book of Reed Richards (Visionary) - Playtesting

Removing the glyphs gets less use out of them, so I don't want to go that direction.
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Old September 6th, 2022, 06:05 PM
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Re: The Book of Reed Richards (Visionary) - Playtesting

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Removing the glyphs gets less use out of them, so I don't want to go that direction.
It's optional. You don't have to use it.

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Old September 6th, 2022, 09:23 PM
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Re: The Book of Reed Richards (Visionary) - Playtesting

I wouldn't use that power.
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Re: The Book of Reed Richards (Visionary) - Playtesting

Contingency seems fine here to me. Just because someone is putting Order Markers on Reed doesn't mean the power should be planned around him. There's currently no benefit to him having Order Markers on him, so putting Order Markers on him is just a personal choice rather than a tactical element of the design. Having some risk and reward to the character is fine, doesn't need to be his own safety net.
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Re: The Book of Reed Richards (Visionary) - Playtesting

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Contingency seems fine here to me. Just because someone is putting Order Markers on Reed doesn't mean the power should be planned around him. There's currently no benefit to him having Order Markers on him, so putting Order Markers on him is just a personal choice rather than a tactical element of the design. Having some risk and reward to the character is fine, doesn't need to be his own safety net.
Pretty much agreed here. I'm not really seeing the issue? He's not a shark figure that wants a ton of OMs. He's support that has a cool range power if he happens to take turns.
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Contingency seems fine here to me. Just because someone is putting Order Markers on Reed doesn't mean the power should be planned around him. There's currently no benefit to him having Order Markers on him, so putting Order Markers on him is just a personal choice rather than a tactical element of the design. Having some risk and reward to the character is fine, doesn't need to be his own safety net.
Pretty much agreed here. I'm not really seeing the issue? He's not a shark figure that wants a ton of OMs. He's support that has a cool range power if he happens to take turns.

I concur. If he was more of a OM hog or front line/first strike type of unit, having his own back-up plan would make sense. He seems more of a back line/support type of unit that helps keep everything moving when someone else goes down, which Contingency accomplishes.
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Re: The Book of Reed Richards (Visionary) - Playtesting

Let's just continue with what has already been tested so far. The unblockables haven't been a major flaw or anything in testing, I was just trying to figure out how to make it go off more based on Ericth's feedback. If you read Karat's, final thoughts, I'm sure he'd be unenthused by the prospect of even more unblockables.

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They were still rolled for every single game. The risk of them still influences opponent figure positioning.

As is, they're far more consistently influential than the Kryptonite component of Lex Luthor's Injustice Contingency, which I've never had factor into a game (though I'm sure it does quite a bit in the right match-up).

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Re: The Book of Reed Richards (Visionary) - Initial Playtest

With the design dropping to 220 but otherwise remaining the same, here are some possible testing armies:
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900 Points
  • Reed Richards (220), Black Panther (210), Iron Man (270), Beast (200)
  • Reed Richards (220), Doctor Strange (320), Spider-Man (280), Rick Jones (80)
1000 Points
  • Reed Richards (220), Black Panther (210), Beast (200), Doctor Strange (320), Stan Lee (50)
  • Reed Richards (220), Black Panther (210), Doctor Strange (320), Captain America (240), Spells (10)
1100 Points
  • Reed Richards (220), Iron Man (270), Doctor Strange (320), Spider-Man (280), Spells (10)
  • Reed Richards (220), Beast (200), Doctor Strange (320), Spider-Man (280), Rick Jones (80)
  • Reed Richards (220), Black Panther (210), Iron Man (270), Captain Marvel (350), Stan Lee (50)
  • Reed Richards (220), Black Panther (210), Doctor Strange (320), Vision (340), Spells (10)
  • Reed Richards (220), Black Panther (210), Beast (200), Doctor Doom (375), Doombot (95)
1200 Points
  • Reed Richards (220), Black Panther (210), Beast (200), Doctor Strange (320), Captain America (240), Spells (10)
  • Reed Richards (220), Black Panther (210), Iron Man (270), Spider-Man (280), Hawkeye (220)
  • Reed Richards (220), Black Panther (210), Iron Man (270), Hulk (450), Stan Lee (50)
1300 Points
  • Reed Richards (220), Black Panther (210), Iron Man (270), Beast (200), Doctor Strange (320), Rick Jones (80)
  • Reed Richards (220), Iron Man (270), Beast (200) Captain Marvel (350), War Machine (260)
1500 Points
  • Reed Richards (220), Black Panther (210), Iron Man (270), Beast (200), Doctor Strange (320), Spider-Man (280)
Obviously, wouldn't expect anyone to test at 1500, but sounds like a fun army, and if Namor ends up at 280, he can sub in for Spidey and make it all Illuminati.
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Re: The Book of Reed Richards (Visionary) - Playtesting

I actually like where this draft was headed, but what if we dropped the Contingency Plan and went more like so? Gives him a slightly more active role and can let you put the 1 on him but use Iron Man instead to trigger the effect and still keep Reed in the back.
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Safe to recommend further testing with this version at 220?
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VISIONARY THEORETICIAN
Start the game with 4 Invention Equipment Glyphs of different types in a Glyph Pool, power-side up. After winning initiative, you may choose a glyph from Reed Richard's Glyph Pool and place it onto the card of a Visionary you control, or onto the card of a friendly adjacent Unique Hero. When a figure would lose that glyph, before removing it from a figure's card, you may roll an unblockable attack die against a figure on or within 1 space of that glyph.

MASTER TACTICIAN
At the beginning of your turn, if there is at least one revealed Order Marker on this card, you may rearrange any unrevealed Order Markers on cards in your army. You may move Order Markers from cards of your destroyed figures.


ELONGATION
Before moving Reed Richards normally, you may subtract up to 8 from his Move number to add that to his Range number for this turn. If you subtract at least 4, he also gains the Flying special power during that movement. Reed never takes any leaving engagement attacks and may attack non-adjacent figures while engaged.

FORESIGHT
When an Army Card you control has its last figure destroyed, before removing that figure from the battlefield, you may immediately remove any unrevealed Order Markers from that card and place them on any other card you control.
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Re: The Book of Reed Richards (Visionary) - Playtesting

That would feel like a step down from Contingency Plan IMO. I'd really prefer we stay the course or simplify with regular Contingency and the unblockable thing in the first power. Anything more and we're just sorta getting lost in the weeds and overthinking it, as the design played fine.
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Really? Seems like a step up to me, but different styles and all. I'd probably just stay the course.
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