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Old November 5th, 2011, 10:47 PM
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Re: The Book of Siege

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OK, I'm flip-flopping on this one...and I believe that this discussion has become much more relevant to Siege's book than Ana's. The key points behind my change of opinion are the specific wordings describing each power's timing.

Crag of Steel states, "When revealing and order marker.." That, to me, means simultaneously.

Healing Word states, "After revealing an order marker.." which concretely nails down that OM being revealed (in this case both OMs) occurs prior to Healing Word activating.

So, only one shot at healing. Yep, I'm a flip-flopper.
Exactly my thoughts.

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Re: The Book of Siege

Then you would have no healing at all. Anas' power clearly states it must occur before any other special powers are triggered. If Crag of Steel must be declared and activated at the same exact time that the numbered order marker is revealed, then no healing word is possible. If you allow healing word to trigger between the revealing of the numbered order marker and the activating of Crag of Steel, then you should roll for healing word twice since another order marker is revealed in order to trigger Crag of Steel. It is either 2 healings or none, one healing is not possible.
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Old November 7th, 2011, 10:28 AM
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Re: The Book of Siege

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Then you would have no healing at all. Anas' power clearly states it must occur before any other special powers are triggered. If Crag of Steel must be declared and activated at the same exact time that the numbered order marker is revealed, then no healing word is possible. If you allow healing word to trigger between the revealing of the numbered order marker and the activating of Crag of Steel, then you should roll for healing word twice since another order marker is revealed in order to trigger Crag of Steel. It is either 2 healings or none, one healing is not possible.
I don't think she can heal him if Crag of Steel is activated. I also read the 'X' marker turning as simultaneous, and then a special power has been used, so no Ana.
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Re: The Book of Siege

Here's Ana's text:

HEALING WORD
After revealing an order marker on a wounded small or medium Hero figure you control that is adjacent to Ana Karithon, and before using any other special powers on any Army Card or Glyph, you may first roll the 20-sided die. If you roll a 13 or higher, remove up to 2 wound markers from that Hero’s Army Card


I read this as Ana's power triggers when an order marker is revealed, and that after revealing you *first* roll for Healing Word before using any other special powers/glyphs and then you can proceed to use other powers.

I don't see why you could not reveal an OM and the X - then first roll for healing word - then go back to activate Crag of Steel.

Is 'activating' the same as 'using' Crag of Steel? I activate it with the X order marker, but I'm not using it before I first roll for Healing Word. Crag is activate but you won't use any features of the power until you Move, Attack or roll Defense.

I believe you get to roll at least once - and I didn't think that Crag would prevent you from healing at all. Thank you for the discussion on how others might see this.
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Re: The Book of Siege

The way I see it that you reveal the order marker on siege, and before you reveal the x order marker, you roll for healing. Then you may "Simultaneously" reveal the X order marker.

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Re: The Book of Siege

Your "simultaneously" works differently than mine.
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Re: The Book of Siege

Vipers? What vipers?
Seriously. If your opponent has vipers, put him up front line and get ready for siege mode. 3 squads (what a smart viper player should bring) and he's done his share.
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Re: The Book of Siege

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Your "simultaneously" works differently than mine.
But "simultaneously" isn't on the card...
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Re: The Book of Siege

You get one shot at healing word. Not two.

Come on, stop trying to "game" the game.

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Re: The Book of Siege

The X is clearly not an order marker for Ana's power---though perhaps an official ruling clarification is required.

If it is then what is stopping me from healing any hero who you put the X on? There is absolutely no reason to treat Seige specially.

The intent of the wording is that when you activate the unit for a turn and before you move them you can heal them. I agree there is room for rules lawerying here, but don't try it around my house.

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Re: The Book of Siege

Far be it from me to say anything is official.

The power of crag of steel, says you may also reveal the x order marker. Under normal circumstances there is no reason other than being printed on a card, for revealing the x order marker.

My understanding is that first heal after revealing an order marker on the card to be used who is standing next to "anna", if that happens to be "siege" then after he is healed reveal the x order marker and move on with cragging it up on those unsuspecting vipers... etc...
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Re: The Book of Siege

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The X is clearly not an order marker for Ana's power---though perhaps an official ruling clarification is required.

If it is then what is stopping me from healing any hero who you put the X on? There is absolutely no reason to treat Seige specially.

The intent of the wording is that when you activate the unit for a turn and before you move them you can heal them. I agree there is room for rules lawerying here, but don't try it around my house.
The thing is, the X is an order marker (yeah, Shiori's still a figure). The difference is that it's not normally revealed, but with Siege and Evar it is.
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