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Old June 24th, 2020, 02:17 PM
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Re: The Book of Hank Pym (Public Playtesting)

Thanks, Arch!

A lot of the value I found was using Ant-Man to duck in and out of fights that YJ couldn’t win normally, which the Ants really helped with. So not horribly surprised/worried it didn’t feel worth it without winning initiative much. Still, YJ II and Ms. Marvel is always a powerful combo, so seems like that balanced it out a bit.
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Re: The Book of Hank Pym (Public Playtesting)

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PLAYTEST UNIT: Hank Pym

Army Test 1
Map: Sacred Shrine
Units: Hank Pym, Ant-Man(Hank Pym), Giant-Man(Hank Pym), Captain America(Steve Rogers), Wasp(II),Iron Man(Mark IV), Fire Ant Swarm X2, Killer Bee X2 (1000) VS Batman(Bruce Wayne)(II), Green Arrow(Oliver Queen), Green Lantern(Hal Jordan), Flash(Barry Allen) (1000)

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Army Test 2
Map: Sacred Shrine
Units: Hank Pym, Ant-Man(Hank Pym), Giant-Man(Hank Pym), Hawkeye(III), Iron Man(Avengers), Stature, Killer Bee X2, Fire Ant Swarm X2 (1000) VS Mister Fantastic, Invisible Woman, Human Torch(Johnny Storm), The Thing(1000)

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THOUGHTS ON THE TESTED UNIT'S COST, BALANCE, & DRAFTABILITY: At first glance Hank is extremely confusing. It doesn’t take long to understand what the card is saying, but I feel there is a better way to word it. On the other hand, what a great idea to bring Ant-Man and Giant-Man into the same army. It was pretty fun having the ability to transform at will. Sorry about not using the Robotics Engineering power, I picked out the two armies I was going to play with and completely forgot to add an Android/Cyborg. I wrote up a little re-word for the powers, it helped to make more sense to me.

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When you may draft this figure you may draft any other Hank Pyms that are Scientists and do not share a size into the same army. with any other Hank Pyms that are Scientists. None of the additional Hank Pyms may share a size. While there is an Avenger Marker on this card, these Hank Pyms are also considered to have an Avenger Marker on their cards. Start the game with this figure on the battlefield. Only one of your Hank Pyms can be on the battlefield at a time. If another Hank Pym you control would be destroyed, instead place two Wound Markers on this card and immediately replace the Hank Pym you control with another Hank Pym in your army, if possible. If this Hank Pym is destroyed, all Hank Pyms in your army are destroyed.

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Instead of taking a turn with a Hank Pym you control, you may switch it with another Hank Pym in your army and take a turn with that the other Hank Pym. Switched figures will not take any leaving engagement attacks. After revealing a numbered Order Marker on this card, you may take a turn with whichever Hank Pym you control.
Thanks! No worries about not using Robotics Engineering, it’s really feeling like flavor text at this point.
I like that he’s thinking about wording, even if I don’t totally agree with where he’s coming from.

Robotics Engineering does seem to mostly be flavor text. That’s fine, and I dig it here, but it’s also a really busy card. I might ask the final tester to try a focus on Androids/Cyborgs, just to have that data.
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Re: The Book of Hank Pym (Public Playtesting)

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This makes me realize that we need a Goliath and a miniature Yellow Jacket persona.
Oh, and a Hank as Wasp design.

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Re: The Book of Hank Pym (Public Playtesting)

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This makes me realize that we need a Goliath and a miniature Yellow Jacket persona.
Oh, and a Hank as Wasp design.
I actually have him, linked in my workshop thread. Heís pretty old though, so Iíd probably rework him a bit. Itís just a cool mini and a cool era for the character.

Ronin also has an Avengers Academy Hank design, using the gigantic figure for him. Just sucks we donít have all the members of that group.
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Ronin also has an Avengers Academy Hank design, using the gigantic figure for him. Just sucks we donít have all the members of that group.
Or, uh, any of the members of that group. One of these years I'll start in on those guys.
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Ronin also has an Avengers Academy Hank design, using the gigantic figure for him. Just sucks we donít have all the members of that group.
Or, uh, any of the members of that group. One of these years I'll start in on those guys.
I mainly meant Clix-wise. I know weíve discussed it before, but Iíll forever be annoyed that Wizkids only gave us half of that team for some reason.
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Re: The Book of Hank Pym (Public Playtesting)

Oh yeah, I hate that they skipped a few. No Finesse is a bummer.
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Re: The Book of Hank Pym (Public Playtesting)

Unfortunately that second game, where I tried holding him back, wasn't useful at all, since Cap and Bucky soloed the other army! I'll have more thoughts after I play AlexH12 tomorrow night.

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NAME OF THE PLAYTEST UNIT: HANK PYM
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Map: Custom Map with two single Unit Skyscrapers, each with a start zone on its ground floor
Units: Captain America (240), Robot (210), Hank Pym (90), Yellowjacket (II) (190), Ant-Man (30), Jocasta (180), Bucky (60) (1,000)
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Map: Custom Map with two single Unit Skyscrapers, each with a start zone on its ground floorUnits: Captain America (240), Robot (210), Hank Pym (90), Yellowjacket (II) (190), Ant-Man (30), Jocasta (180), Bucky (60)
vs Wonder Woman (III) (310), Green Arrow (II) (210), Black Canary (I) (190), Booster Gold (290) (1,000)
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Re: The Book of Hank Pym (Public Playtesting)

Thanks! I’m going to ask Bats and Alex to test him at 60 for the final games. It’ll either be too powerful or it won’t be.
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Re: The Book of Hank Pym (Public Playtesting)

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After talking with Bats (who has now run his own gams as well as one with AlexH12), I'm thinking about making this change.

Bats (as well as Archie) just haven't found much strategic use in the size changing aspect of the design, and I feel like if that aspect isn't working, the whole design is kind of a flop.

This change would be a relative power-up for the design, but he wasn't coming in super hot before. It would allow him to use his Robotics Engineering more easily, and would also enable some fun defensive shenanigans with switching between big and little mode. Also saves some text, so I'm all about that.
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Re: The Book of Hank Pym (Public Playtesting)

I like this change. Makes it cleaner. Should be swapping more frequently between his forms than Bruce Banner would.
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Re: The Book of Hank Pym (Public Playtesting)

Yep, digging that. Frequent swaps are what this guy is supposed to be all about.

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