The Book of Sujoah

[TheLorax]

For whatever it is worth, I agree with Killercactus on this ruling. A wound was never received, therefore you never roll again for the poison. (Maybe there is difference between a wound inflicted and a wound received? I dunno)

On a lighter note, how you guys say Sujoah's name? I say it like Sue-joe-ah. However, I could see (or hear rather) something like Sue-joy-a. What's your take?

[southwest ninja]

Originally Posted by BurnyFlame

The following is part of a longer post I made in the Wo-Sa-Ga vs. Microcorp thread, found here http://www.heroscapers.com/community...t=25549&page=2, but I think it applies here.

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Some of you are implying that the Poison Sting ruling says something it does not. Here it is (emphasis mine):

If I got a tax cut last year, and then asked "can I keep getting tax cuts next year and the year after?," that answer does not have anything to do with the fact I already got one initially. Same thing with Sujoah (making $185,000, perhaps) and the question whether or not he can keep rolling. The FAQ answer says he can't continue, but in order to continue, he has to start. This start is the initial, and only, roll in this case.

His card is broken up into 2 parts (which I'll label), and the ruling only affects the second part.

Stealth Suit can't work unless a wound is inflicted, so let's assume the attack is successful. That means Sujoah gets to roll ONCE (see blue), as stated in the first sentence. Then, the FAQ tells us that in part 2, we do not get to roll again because the additional wound inflicted does not take us back to part 1.

The point is, one wound HAD to be inflicted initially for the Stealth Suit to work at all, so Sujoah gets his one roll to try to get a 20 and destroy the figure instead of causing a death by wounding.

For Sujoah, I believe the right way to play is:
1. Attack roll > Defense roll
2. Wound inflicted/received simultaneously
3. Roll ONCE for the Sting against squad, as it is stated in "Part 1" of the Special Attack (not always necessary, of course)
4. Only a 20 can destroy it, otherwise the figure is removed due to wounds. Part 2, which allows him to "keep rolling" is what the FAQ disallows
5. Stealth Armor can activate right "before removing the figure" (as it says on their card) if the figure was destoyed due to wounds, but not detroyed right out with a 20

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Additionally, I believe the Poison Sting likewise works against Defy Death and Cell Divide, but only for the first roll. There can be no additional rolls, because that is how the FAQ ruled it since there are parts "not explicitly stated" that apply.

stealth armor states if you roll a 15 or higher, ignore any wounds. Sujoahs card says if sujoah inflicts at least 1 wound to roll the 20 sider. stealth armor ignores the wound, no wound inflicted, no 20 sider.......

[killercactus]

Originally Posted by Heroscape Elffy

Wouldn't Q9 be better?

Yeah, but I just did it to Raelin in a tournament Saturday. I also killed X17 with one Poison Sting roll too (though that one was 3 wounds + 14 + 16 for the kill).

[Toad Rocket]

I do think its odd that chilling touch doesnt work on soulborgs, yet a poison sting does. You would think poison would only really affect living creatures, thus making undead and soulborgs immune.

meh, whatever.

[kpotassiumk19]

Originally Posted by rdhight

I think of it as the designers taking a dislike to Q9 and blasts/glads.

It doesn't effect any figures with 1 life, because once you inflict a wound to activate poison sting they will dead anyway. It does work well against high defense figures lime Q9 though.

[ParaGoomba Slayer]

Originally Posted by kpotassiumk19

It doesn't effect any figures with 1 life, because once you inflict a wound to activate poison sting they will dead anyway. It does work well against high defense figures lime Q9 though.

Poison Sting is a special attack. The Gladiatrons' (Lets not forget X17's) melee defense doesn't work against special attacks. It would also bypass counterstrike and defensive agility.

[Hahma]

Originally Posted by kpotassiumk19

It doesn't effect any figures with 1 life, because once you inflict a wound to activate poison sting they will dead anyway. It does work well against high defense figures lime Q9 though.

I don't mind that Sujoah can be a Q9 killer, I get tired of seeing Q9 all the time anyway.

Sujoah has nothing on the blast/glads that any other figure has, one wound kills any of them. However, if someone gets Sujoah out too far ahead of his support (raises hand), then the Blast/Glads can take it to him by surrounding him and getting the homing beacon thing going. That happened to me the first time I used Sujoah/Spiders against Garylasq and his Blast/Glad hoarde.

However, now that I have my twin girls learning to play, I've been making all kinds of armies for them to try out against each other. Lastnight, Morgan's Sujoah wounded and poisoned Mittens to death and the spiders did really well against the Vipers (2 attack is great against the 0 defense, and 3 attack with height was even better ). Between Paige's Wo Sa Ga and Armoc Vipers, they took out Sujoah, but the Spiders and Saylind finished off Wo Sa Ga and the last Armoc.

In this case, initiative, speed and frenzy of the Vipers worked in Sujoah's favor because he was still in his starting area with plenty of support and survived Mittens and Vipers x2 before going after Wo Sa Ga.

[rednax]

Can Sujoah's semi-transparent wings block line of sight?

[Obsidian]

That is an interesting observation. I tried this out just now with Q9 and could not get an angle where I would clearly see anything on the other side of the wing. Maybe if a lazer could hit a target on the other side without refracting too much?

[rednax]

Originally Posted by Obsidian

That is an interesting observation. I tried this out just now with Q9 and could not get an angle where I would clearly see anything on the other side of the wing. Maybe if a lazer could hit a target on the other side without refracting to much?

Thanks Obsidian.

You really have to think about line of sight in two ways.

1. A pistol/arrow cannot pass through a wing. However, you'd be able to see the person behind the wing, and therfore jump, or scoot to the side so you would be able to see them.

2. The other reason why we have to check for line of sight is because if a spider is hiding behind a tree, you could scoot over so you could see it, but the archer/gunman wouldn't even know the spider was there.

Honestly, I'm still not clear about it, but my gaming group would probably allow it.

[wolfeman1968]

Now that we got a few more Aquilla, here is my idea for an all Aquilla army with Sujoah at 500 points
Sujoah
Migol
Axe x3 or Axe x2 and spiders x2
505 or 515

or

Sujoah
spiders x3
Brave Arrow
Tribe x2
points 495 (this is a popular build)

What do you guys think?

[Tai-Pan]

It's not all Aquilla, but it is a powerful build:

Sujoah 185
Spiders x2
Brave Arrow 50
Mohicans x2 140
Mittens 120
plus 20 points of filler for a fast moving 600 point army