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View Poll Results: How do you interpret the word "random" in these situations
Players MUST always roll a dice or shuffle the order markers and without either player looking 7 16.67%
Owner MUST shuffle/rearrange OMs but can look before the player chooses which he/she removes 0 0%
Owner CAN shuffle/rearrange OMs and can look before the player chooses, but is not required 8 19.05%
Owner CAN rearrange OMs but MUST do while looking before the player chooses, but is not required 1 2.38%
Owner CANNOT shuffle/rearrange OMs before the player chooses. OMs must be placed strategically 17 40.48%
Depends on who you play with and mood players are in, but can be decided differently each game 9 21.43%
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Re: Remove one unrevealed Order Marker at random?

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Voted option 6. I've played with a wide variety of skill and levels and have no issue with seeking to make the game fun. It helps that 95% of the time I'm the GM though



For comp play though, I've no issue with you (or squidface) if you snipe an Order Marker off of me knowing fully well it was a numbered one. Especially true if I was just putting OMs in order (like I do a vast majority of the time).


Really, its no different than if I focus fire a hero with 2 Order Markers on it knowing that you are going to lose at least 1 turn if that hero dies.
I disagree with the last line, this poll is about something completely different than choosing to destroy opponentís figures to remove their turns. While I agree with the mentality of ďif you are watching my habits like a hawk and snipe my OMs to punish me, thatís just being competitive,Ē the thing that gets me with the poll here is the word random. Itís not very random if you can use knowledge to pluck specific OMs with any reasonable amount consistency.

Perhaps quantifying/clarifying that would be more troublesome for me to do... but itís how I feel about this, in a nutshell.

And that's perfectly fair and valid. I'd much rather have fun with the game than not, and fighting over a small mechanic at the game table is something I'd rather not bother with.
In casual games, I agree with being fast and loose with some rules. Heck, I often let my wife cheat by moving order markers between her army cards right in the middle of a round just so she can activate different figures.

I suppose if there were money or prizes on the line (say a tournament) I personally would absolutely want to follow option #1. Of course, even if I were a TD I would never force everyone to follow that rule if all parties involved in a specific game didn't care about whatever method they were already using. However if a fuss were to come up about it, I'd tell players to chuck the D20 to determine which OM is removed. Iron fist meme goes here.
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Re: Remove one unrevealed Order Marker at random?

I've always played those sorts of powers by Option #5, and the only times that I've seen them at tournaments that's what I expected. That said, if I was using the unit and the other player didn't know (or forgot) that there was an OM removal power in play, then I'd have absolutely no problem with them shuffling/moving their OMs on the same cards to be placed more randomly. I also have no problem with shifting my own figures a bit so that opponents can go where they want to without denial, though, which I know was a contentious topic.

If I was playing anywhere else instead of hosting, then I'd play the power however the host wanted. Option #6 is probably the best answer in that regard, but I generally talk through powers/cards that the other players have never seen before the game anyway and make sure they know what each card can do and what will happen if it succeeds, so I've never seen anyone have an issue with Option #5 at my house before.
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Re: Remove one unrevealed Order Marker at random?

1-4 are all adding mechanics to the game that are not on the card or in the rulebook. Falls under “do what the card says, not what it doesn’t say.” Problem, of course, is it says to do something that is impossible without additional mechanics.

This leads me to believe #5 is correct and the card has poor word choice (“random” should be “without looking”).

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