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Old January 8th, 2015, 02:47 PM
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Re: The Book of Thor

I don't believe that is needed for this special, because this isn't one that affects people adjacent to the figures on the spaces affected. It's everyone within 2 spaces of Thor. Thor is not within the 2 spaces of himself, that wouldn't make sense. Whereas the examples you gave are based on choosing spaces/a line, and then all adjacent figures to those spaces are affected, thus the need to clarify it doesn't affect the user.
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Re: The Book of Thor

Porkins and Sock are both right. Thor cannot be within 2 spaces of himself; the reason those other figures have that wording is because they choose a space or figure and figures adjacent to those spaces/figures are affected.

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Thor cannot be within 2 spaces of himself.
Sure he can; he's automatically within 2 spaces of himself at all times. You are within your own immediate vicinity; you are an occupant of the house you occupy; you are within 10 feet of your present location. (How could it be otherwise?) But don't take my word for it; see Hasbro's many examples below.

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the reason those other figures have that wording is because they choose a space or figure and figures adjacent to those spaces/figures are affected.
I don’t see how that distinction matters, but regardless there are still plenty of examples that speak directly to your argument. I initially had some of these examples in my post, but deleted them in an attempt to be more concise; now I wish I had not. So here are a bunch of official examples that, just like Thor's GOD OF THUNDER STRIKE, are simply about being within a defined locus of the figure itself, rather than about one unit's adjacency to another:
  • All figures you control within 4 clear sight spaces of Taelord get +1 to attack. Taelord's Attack Aura does not affect Taelord.

  • All figures you control within 4 clear sight spaces of Raelin add 2 to their defense dice. Raelin's Defensive Aura does not affect Raelin.

  • ... you may move one Tricky figure you control who follows Vydar and is within 8 clear sight spaces of Agent Skahen up to 4 spaces. You cannot use Cover Fire to move Agent Skahen.

  • ... add 1 to Chardris’ attack dice for every additional Elf Wizard you control within 3 clear sight spaces of Chardris... [note that the word "additional" is conspicuously used to exclude Chardris from boosting himself, since he is within 3 spaces of himself].

  • ... for any Kyrie you control who follows Einar and is within 5 clear sight spaces of Empress Kiova, you may re-roll all defense dice that did not show shields ... Empress Kiova's Gift of the Empress Aura does not affect Empress Kiova.

  • ... roll the 20-sided die for all figures within 3 clear sight spaces of Runa, one at a time. If you roll a 20, destroy the figure. Runa's Helm of Mitonsoul Aura does not affect Runa. [Note how structurally similar this is to Thor's bit.]
... And there are lots more examples.

Now, lest anyone complain that those are all "negative" examples which are probably just confirming some kind of unwritten rule, there are also "positive" examples that prove you actually must be within X spaces of yourself, or these wouldn't work. I'll give a classic Scape example and then one from C3G:
  • ... choose a wounded Hero figure within 4 clear sight spaces of Sonlen ... remove one wound marker from the chosen Hero's Army Card. Sonlen's Dragon can use its Dragon Healing on Sonlen.

  • All Adventurers and Scientists you control within 4 clear sight spaces of Invisible Woman add 4 to their defense dice. ... Fantastic Force Field 4 affects Invisible Woman.
(This fact is the whole reason that Sue has DEFENSE = 0.)

I don't know how to conclude anything other than the fact that official Scape very clearly treats a figure as being within X spaces of itself — or, at the very least, sees it as a question that should be explicitly addressed every time ... in my research I did not run across any cases where they failed to define it one way or the other in the wording.


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Re: The Book of Thor

All of those were clear sight examples, which c3g rules are consistent to that.
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Re: The Book of Thor

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All of those were clear sight examples, which c3g rules are consistent to that.
Are you saying that C3G has a rule that a figure is within X spaces of itself if they are clear sight spaces, but is not within X spaces of itself if they are just plain old unrestricted spaces?


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Re: The Book of Thor

I don't honestly know. It's just the way it seems.
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Re: The Book of Thor

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official Scape very clearly treats a figure as being within X spaces of itself
It actually doesn't, as it's spelled out in the FAQ. For C3G, we just decided to not use unnecessary wording as we usually need the space.

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All of those were clear sight examples, which c3g rules are consistent to that.
Are you saying that C3G has a rule that a figure is within X spaces of itself if they are clear sight spaces, but is not within X spaces of itself if they are just plain old unrestricted spaces?
No. C3G's official stance is that a figure is never within clear sight of itself, unless otherwise stated by the power. Powers that require clear sight do not affect the figure who has the power, unless the power specifically states that it affects that figure (Invisible Woman, for example).

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Re: The Book of Thor

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All of those were clear sight examples, which c3g rules are consistent to that.
Are you saying that C3G has a rule that a figure is within X spaces of itself if they are clear sight spaces, but is not within X spaces of itself if they are just plain old unrestricted spaces?
Even in classic scape figures cannot be with X spaces of themselves.
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All of those were clear sight examples, which c3g rules are consistent to that.
Are you saying that C3G has a rule that a figure is within X spaces of itself if they are clear sight spaces, but is not within X spaces of itself if they are just plain old unrestricted spaces?
No. C3G's official stance is that a figure is never within clear sight of itself, unless otherwise stated by the power. Powers that require clear sight do not affect the figure who has the power, unless the power specifically states that it affects that figure (Invisible Woman, for example).
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All of those were clear sight examples, which c3g rules are consistent to that.
Are you saying that C3G has a rule that a figure is within X spaces of itself if they are clear sight spaces, but is not within X spaces of itself if they are just plain old unrestricted spaces?
Even in classic scape figures cannot be with X spaces of themselves.

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Re: The Book of Thor

Okay, combining what everyone has said, it sounds like here's the deal:
  • A figure is never "within X spaces" of itself, regardless of whether clear sight is or is not specified.
  • Thus, for untargeted area effects, all the sentences like "Bob's Flatulence Special Attack does not affect Bob" are unnecessary.
  • Cards like Invisible Woman and Sonlen are overriding this rule and explicitly allowing/requiring the figure to be within X spaces of itself for that effect only.
  • However, a figure can be within X spaces of another figure it targets, within X spaces in a straight line from itself, etc. Thus these kinds of effects still need an explicit inclusion/exclusion sentence.
  • Thus, in general, figures do not experience their own area effects that have no distinct target, but (unless there's an explicit restriction) they do experience spillover effects from a chosen target, and directional effects.
Am I getting that right? (Would not have guessed this from the way the classic army cards are written.)

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It actually doesn't, as it's spelled out in the FAQ.
I'd appreciate it if somebody can give me a page reference. I just searched using a few relevant keywords and can't find it. (Not trying to be obstinate here; just want to understand.)

I do appreciate all the feedback on this. Kinda frustrating that seven years into this game I'm still bumping into things that work in the opposite direction of what the cards imply...


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