The Book of Baron Mordo

[Ronin]

Originally Posted by Yodaking

I can go either way here. If Strange didn't already have it I'd say leave it off, but since Strange has it and they have similar training backgrounds is seems a bit weird that he wouldn't have it. They are both just humans after all with the SS protections coming from their magical abilities.

This is where I'm at. Honestly, I'm not nuts about the decision to put SS on Strange, and it'd be an easy "no" if Strange didn't have it. I can see it either way, though, because you could leave it off to emphasize that he's sort of a 'subtle magic' guy, or put it on to play him up as a Strange mirror. Happy to default to LD's choice.

[Arkham]

They've been updated so you should be good to call for a vote.

[Lazy Orang]

I propose Baron Karl Amadeus Mordo for On Deck!

@Tornado - Yea
@johnny139 -
@Viegon - Yea
@Yodaking - Yea
@japes - Yea
@TrollBrute - Yea

[Spidey'tilIDie]

If I may, Strange has Superstrength because the major advantage of SS is reduced damage when Falling. Due to his Cloak of Levitation, Strange has a greater chance to avoid this than the average magicuser (hence why many don't have it.) I am very confident that Mordo does not have a similar cloak and should not have the similar benefits.

[Lazy Orang]

Originally Posted by Spidey'tilIDie

If I may, Strange has Superstrength because the major advantage of SS is reduced damage when Falling. Due to his Cloak of Levitation, Strange has a greater chance to avoid this than the average magicuser (hence why many don't have it.) I am very confident that Mordo does not have a similar cloak and should not have the similar benefits.

Why the hell would that matter? Strange has Flying, falling damage isn't a problem for him - SS comes from raw magical power here, and then there's the fact that Fate has it too and I put all three of them close together. Also, reduced falling damage isn't actually the primary SS benefit when using C3G optional rules - I'd say knockback and throwing DOs were much bigger deals most of the time.

[Tornado]

Yea

[japes]

I'm not arguing for or against here but please for the love of all that is good...stop using Doctor Strange as a reason for anything...he was the first MD figure created and it was early in the process I believe he was even designed before Knockback rules were created. Spidey may be correct that he was originally given SS due to falling and flying was overlooked or came later. We've all learned things since the early days so lets not keep using the "well X has it" as a reason to keep doing something.

Whether or not he deserves SS should be on the merits of his thematic ability alone and I am not an expert on him so I can't answer that.

[Lazy Orang]

Originally Posted by japes

I'm not arguing for or against here but please for the love of all that is good...stop using Doctor Strange as a reason for anything...he was the first MD figure created and it was early in the process I believe he was even designed before Knockback rules were created. Spidey may be correct that he was originally given SS due to falling and flying was overlooked or came later. We've all learned things since the early days so lets not keep using the "well X has it" as a reason to keep doing something.

Whether or not he deserves SS should be on the merits of his thematic ability alone and I am not an expert on him so I can't answer that.

Actually...

1) He was the third MD figure designed, it seems, just never tested with any others. If you compare the start-dates of his thread, Zatanna's and Scarlet Witch's, you'll see his comes last, and if you look through his thread, you'll see this comment from IAmBatman with regard to Superstrength:

Originally Posted by IAmBatman

You've answered my concerns about what makes him different from Zatanna and Scarlet Witch - he's more powerful. yea.

2) Knockback rules have been a part of C3G as long as C3G has been a thing, getting released in the World's Finest Rulebook. Throwing rules were added in Fantastic Forces Unite, which was released prior to Avengers Arrive, the wave Doctor Strange was in.
3) Strange was given super strength on the same logical basis as Jean Grey and Magneto, if you read through the first couple of pages of his thread - though he may not actually be super strong, his powers allow him to do everything associated with it

Based on that, using Strange and Fate as a yardstick for Superstrength seems logical to me. He's not a terrible design, it's just that the implications he'd have to the growing MD faction weren't thought through.

[japes]

Originally Posted by Lazy Orang

3) Strange was given super strength on the same logical basis as Jean Grey and Magneto, if you read through the first couple of pages of his thread - though he may not actually be super strong, his powers allow him to do everything associated with it

As I said...I'm not saying Mordo shouldn't have SS just that it's possible an older design had a mistake and we should use an old design as an excuse to perpetuate something.

[Lazy Orang]

But it's been consistent C3G precedent that characters lacking actual super strength who can still simulate the effects should still get the power, and Strange and Mordo really are that powerful. If we really feel the need I can take it off, but I see no reason to.

[Yodaking]

Yea

[japes]

Originally Posted by Lazy Orang

But it's been consistent C3G precedent that characters lacking actual super strength who can still simulate the effects should still get the power, and Strange and Mordo really are that powerful. If we really feel the need I can take it off, but I see no reason to.

I think you are missing my point...I'm not saying take it off. I don't have enough experience with him to know if it is justified or not in this case which is why I haven't voted one way or the other on this. I'm just saying that we can't use an old figure as the basis of our arguments (not just here but in general) If there is an error on some card, which with nearly 700 cards it is possible...we don't need to perpetuate that error.

On the C3G precedent...other than Telekinesis type figures (so they can throw objects) and Strange. What other characters are lacking actual super strength have the SS symbol.

As for Strange, you dismissed Spidey's cloak reasoning due to flying but flying can be negated by glyphs and at least one figures power that I know of so I still see @Spidey'tilIDie 's point being valid.

Still none of this matters in regards to Mordo. If the only argument is that Strange has it so Mordo does then there is room for argument.

If your argument however is similar to what bat's quote says about a different figure then that's different. If you think he's just more powerful than those other Magical figures then stick to that as your argument as that would be easier to defend.