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Old October 25th, 2020, 05:33 PM
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Re: [Pod 0] Honored Soul-Guides (Lantern Geists) - Editing

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Old October 25th, 2020, 05:40 PM
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Re: [Pod 0] Honored Soul-Guides (Lantern Geists) - Editing

Yeah, we should be good to enter Testing now.
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Old January 4th, 2021, 05:52 PM
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Re: [Pod 0] Honored Soul-Guides (Lantern Geists) - Playtesti

These guys have sat for too long. Updating the OP to move the Honored Soul-Guides to playtesting.


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Re: [Pod 0] Honored Soul-Guides (Lantern Geists) - Playtesti

Wonderful. Let's get some tests.
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Old January 30th, 2021, 12:14 PM
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Re: [Pod 0] Honored Soul-Guides (Lantern Geists) - Playtesti

HSGs were included in these tests. They only used Last Will once but didn't end up putting OMs on that figure (the last HSG was going to get killed anyway, so why not put a 1-Life Drake in its place and bluff an X?). They did manage to leverage 5 Stealth Flying and their 5D to kill a Krav and secure Wannok for a wound, though. So they're getting use out of all their parts at least. But we'll certainly need more tests that showcase Last Will to make sure the balance is right.


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@LoveElemental and I ran a quick 310 point game today based on a silly idea I had. It was a custom map with a mountain bridge in the back, a highway in front, and a lot of ice/snow in the middle. 3 T. Glyphs (trap: 3A roll vs the hero), and Defense +1 in the middle of the ice.


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LE sniped my ghost bois early, and from there the game went downhill fast. She did a great job at playing around Deathwalker's dangerous explosion, so I didn't get to bring him back for a second big bang either. Notably, I rolled a 1 for the only Self Destruct roll I could squeeze in (although I did have 2 Izumis and a 10th Reg in the blast radius... potentially a big hit).


All told, I killed 3 10th Reg's and the Wyvern before Ne Gok Sa valiantly went down.


The notable part about this game isn't the hilariously bad showing, its about recognizing that the HSG's have a useful niche... mini suicide Raelins. Because their power has such a strong potential (2 successful SD's in a game with this few points could have been huge), I can see the comparison to Raelin being applicable. Granted, that's only going to be with certain builds and certain units, but I think we should be keeping an eye out for that. In this game, I can honestly say I was very happy with my 50 point purchase. Had I built my army thinking of them as a suicide Raelin play, I think the game would have been closer (even if I had still lost, which is a good thing, DW7K is an F unit for a reason).



In discord, @Skinderella dropped a comment about putting these guys, DW7k, and Zett Infantry together. I can see it as a very decent build.

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Old February 12th, 2021, 08:58 AM
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Re: [Pod 0] Honored Soul-Guides (Lantern Geists) - Playtesti

Love the idea of them with DW7K. What a great pairing to (potentially) do something fun with an underused unit. I might make that Infantry/7K/HSG army one of my next tests (I had even mentioned and briefly tried to test earlier that bringing back a bonded Hero could be a good use).


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Re: [Pod 0] Honored Soul-Guides (Lantern Geists) - Playtesti

Map: custom
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Glyphs: Heroic Rune, Whetstone of Venom

Army 1: Honored Soul Guides 50, Cyprien Esenwein 150, Sonya Esenwein 45, Deathwalker 7000 100, Krav Maga Agents 100 (445 points)

Army 2: Van Nessing 105, Rhogar 110, Major Q10 150, Marro Warriors 50, Eldgrim 30 (445 points)

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Survivors: 1 Marro Warrior

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Re: [Pod 0] Honored Soul-Guides (Lantern Geists) - Playtesti

That is a fun matchup. Will need an RC clarification that if you use your last Honored Soul-Guide to bring back a hero and have no one else on he field, that if you kill an opponent's last figure on OM 3, do you win or is it a tie? (i.e. does the end of the third turn come before or simultaneously with the end of the round?). Was not the case in your scenario as you DK7K Self-Destructed to kill the second-last guy, but that was a fun way to go out.
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Re: [Pod 0] Honored Soul-Guides (Lantern Geists) - Playtesti

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That is a fun matchup. Will need an RC clarification that if you use your last Honored Soul-Guide to bring back a hero and have no one else on he field, that if you kill an opponent's last figure on OM 3, do you win or is it a tie? (i.e. does the end of the third turn come before or simultaneously with the end of the round?). Was not the case in your scenario as you DK7K Self-Destructed to kill the second-last guy, but that was a fun way to go out.
My interpretation is that you would win if your last figure is from Last Will and they clear the field on OM3. The revived hero is destroyed at the end of the round, not the turn, so there's still time before then where you are the last player with figures on the board.

It reminds me of having one squad figure left on lava field land the killing blow--they might die to the lava field damage afterward, but they still won the game before then.

...That actually brings to mind another rules question, come to think of it: is the revived figure still negated if it is destroyed before the end of the round? I could see players arguing that their hero was not negated if it was already destroyed before Last Will triggers again, though I think that this is incorrect. Either way, it could probably use a R&C to spell it out, I think?

@Scytale , do I have that correct in that Last Will will always negate the revived figure at the end of the round, even if they were already destroyed again before then?
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@Scytale , do I have that correct in that Last Will will always negate the revived figure at the end of the round, even if they were already destroyed again before then?
Yes, it will negate the revived figure, regardless of anything else, since it's a specified duration.
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Re: [Pod 0] Honored Soul-Guides (Lantern Geists) - Playtesti

Okay, thanks for clearing that up. It might be worth specifying this in an R&C in the OP once released so that players aren't confused.
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