Noob Q's

[Wormy]

Ok, sorry if this is answered before, I've looked and haven't been able to find anything.

First, what are the rules regarding ranged attacks and flying when a player is trying to cross a non map area? For example, the map is constructed in a way that figs can see each other but there is an area between them where there isn't any terrain. The distance is still countable, so can you shoot or fly across it?

Second, is a question that came up when using the Nakita agents. Two agents were adjacent to each other, Charos showed up and tried to attack one of the agents. The contention was that the agent that Charos wasn't adjacent to could still use the smoke defense to help her sister fig. Is this correct, or no?

Thanks a bunch, this is a great forum!

[Utgarsrage]

1. You can move or shoot through non-hexed spaces.

2. Nakita Agents Smoke Powder only works versus non-adjacent attacks.

[scarecrowking]

Welcome to the site, Wormy!

1. You can shoot through those spaces, but you must count the range by using the actual hexes that run around the edge of the open space (SotM rulebook, p. 11, under 'Range', 2nd column)

You may NOT move across those unoccupied spaces, there is nothing there, therefore that part of the map doesn't exist, and you can't move across it.

-scare

[CheddarLimbo]

Originally Posted by Utgarsrage

1. You can move or shoot through non-hexed spaces.

No, that's not correct. Those void spaces are not part of the map and cannot be passed through by moving figures. You may shoot through them, and while line of sight still works the same way (across the voided spaces), you must count the spaces around the void for range.

Because it's so wonky, most maps do not incorporate such areas.


EDIT: Scarecrow is correct, and much faster than me.

[Wiet]

Originally Posted by Utgarsrage

1. You can move or shoot through non-hexed spaces.

No, that's not entirely correct. You can't move through/over non-existent spaces. You CAN shoot over them though, but - as CheddarLimbo and scarecrowking said - you must count around the void for range.

Originally Posted by Utgarsrage

2. Nakita Agents Smoke Powder only works versus non-adjacent attacks.

Exactly. So in Wormy's example, unless a figure in Charos' army was standing on the Glyph of Ivor, Smoke Screen would not have been possible against his attack, because Charos has a Range of 1 (i.e. no ranged attack).

[Altron_ZERO]

i ususally play that you cant shoot or see characters through empty field, i imagine theres a giant wall surrounding that empty area.

am i wrong to play like this? i think its more fair, because lets say you have 2 starting zones and they are within 5-6 hexes of eachother, in the beggining of the game if you had units with long enough range you would be able to shoot across the non existant area.

[MI_Tiger]

Originally Posted by Altron_ZERO

i ususally play that you cant shoot or see characters through empty field, i imagine theres a giant wall surrounding that empty area.

am i wrong to play like this? i think its more fair, because lets say you have 2 starting zones and they are within 5-6 hexes of eachother, in the beggining of the game if you had units with long enough range you would be able to shoot across the non existant area.

You're not wrong to play like that, but you're not playing by the official rules. What you are doing is a logical house rule (but remember that it is a house rule), so play that way if it works for you.

[SpartanNinja]

Originally Posted by Wiet

No, that's not entirely correct. You can't move through/over non-existent spaces. You CAN shoot over them though, but - as CheddarLimbo and scarecrowking said - you must count around the void for range.

Exactly. So in Wormy's example, unless a figure in Charos' army was standing on the Glyph of Ivor, Smoke Screen would not have been possible against his attack, because Charos has a Range of 1 (i.e. no ranged attack).

All correct except that Charos does not benefit from the Glyph of Ivor because it has the stipulation of the characters having to have at least four range to receive the bonus. So Charos because of his range of one can never benefit.

[Wiet]

Originally Posted by SpartanNinja

All correct except that Charos does not benefit from the Glyph of Ivor because it has the stipulation of the characters having to have at least four range to receive the bonus. So Charos because of his range of one can never benefit.

WOW! Now who's the n00b I'm feeling really stupid right now: I have always played that the Glyph of Ivor gives a +4 range bonus to everyone in the Army. I have always found it odd that non-ranged units (i.e. Range 1) became ranged this way. Now I see that they don't, which makes way more sense! Stupid me... This is one for that thread about rule-mistakes. Hahaha - laughing it off...

[SpartanNinja]

You aren't (or weren't now) alone. I played it that way for a while when I first got HS but at closer examination of the rules (about two weeks after I got it I'm sure) I discovered the stipulation. I was half disappointed though because the melee figures really benefited from that capability.

[CheddarLimbo]

We've all done things like that. You should have seen the devastation my Airborne Elite were able to cause with their Extreme Height assisted Hand Grenade special.

[Heroscape Elffy]

5 attack?!? Holy cow!! Or Counter Strike working with Ranged attacks? Hehe....