Heroscapers
Go Back   Heroscapers > Marvel Legends HeroScape > Comic Hero Custom Creations > C3G SuperScape > C3G Legacy > C3G Legacy Library
C3G Legacy Library This is the archive for all the designs released in the original era of C3G. Feel free to post any figure specific questions in their individual books.

Notices


Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
  #61  
Old March 6th, 2019, 12:51 PM
Lazy Orang's Avatar
Lazy Orang Lazy Orang is offline
Hard as ice
 
Join Date: November 10, 2012
Location: British Isles
Posts: 15,921
Images: 6
Lazy Orang is hot lava death! Lazy Orang is hot lava death! Lazy Orang is hot lava death! Lazy Orang is hot lava death! Lazy Orang is hot lava death! Lazy Orang is hot lava death! Lazy Orang is hot lava death! Lazy Orang is hot lava death! Lazy Orang is hot lava death! Lazy Orang is hot lava death! Lazy Orang is hot lava death! Lazy Orang is hot lava death! Lazy Orang is hot lava death! Lazy Orang is hot lava death!
Re: The Book of Liu Kang (Public Playtesting)

First game done, hoping to do the second this evening.

The JLD are going to love this guy!
Any suggestions for 1,130 point builds to face this guy, J'onn II, Batman III and Black Bat?


My Family's Classic Customs
- The Stiff Corpse
=====================
Reply With Quote
  #62  
Old March 6th, 2019, 12:57 PM
Arkham's Avatar
Arkham Arkham is online now
C3G Con Champ 2021 and 2022!
 
Join Date: May 19, 2012
Location: Olympia - WA
Posts: 15,387
Images: 21
Arkham is hot lava death! Arkham is hot lava death! Arkham is hot lava death! Arkham is hot lava death! Arkham is hot lava death! Arkham is hot lava death! Arkham is hot lava death! Arkham is hot lava death! Arkham is hot lava death! Arkham is hot lava death! Arkham is hot lava death! Arkham is hot lava death! Arkham is hot lava death! Arkham is hot lava death!
Re: The Book of Liu Kang (Public Playtesting)

What was the result?
Reply With Quote
  #63  
Old March 6th, 2019, 02:05 PM
Lazy Orang's Avatar
Lazy Orang Lazy Orang is offline
Hard as ice
 
Join Date: November 10, 2012
Location: British Isles
Posts: 15,921
Images: 6
Lazy Orang is hot lava death! Lazy Orang is hot lava death! Lazy Orang is hot lava death! Lazy Orang is hot lava death! Lazy Orang is hot lava death! Lazy Orang is hot lava death! Lazy Orang is hot lava death! Lazy Orang is hot lava death! Lazy Orang is hot lava death! Lazy Orang is hot lava death! Lazy Orang is hot lava death! Lazy Orang is hot lava death! Lazy Orang is hot lava death! Lazy Orang is hot lava death!
Re: The Book of Liu Kang (Public Playtesting)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Arkham View Post
What was the result?
Close defeat, only a maimed and bleeding Splinter left on the battlefield.


My Family's Classic Customs
- The Stiff Corpse
=====================
Reply With Quote
  #64  
Old March 6th, 2019, 02:23 PM
Lazy Orang's Avatar
Lazy Orang Lazy Orang is offline
Hard as ice
 
Join Date: November 10, 2012
Location: British Isles
Posts: 15,921
Images: 6
Lazy Orang is hot lava death! Lazy Orang is hot lava death! Lazy Orang is hot lava death! Lazy Orang is hot lava death! Lazy Orang is hot lava death! Lazy Orang is hot lava death! Lazy Orang is hot lava death! Lazy Orang is hot lava death! Lazy Orang is hot lava death! Lazy Orang is hot lava death! Lazy Orang is hot lava death! Lazy Orang is hot lava death! Lazy Orang is hot lava death! Lazy Orang is hot lava death!
Re: The Book of Liu Kang (Public Playtesting)

I have an army now!


My Family's Classic Customs
- The Stiff Corpse
=====================
Reply With Quote
  #65  
Old March 6th, 2019, 03:53 PM
Scapemage's Avatar
Scapemage Scapemage is offline
From less than zero to Hero!
 
Join Date: March 10, 2009
Location: USA - MA - Boston
Posts: 16,905
Images: 19
Scapemage is hot lava death! Scapemage is hot lava death! Scapemage is hot lava death! Scapemage is hot lava death! Scapemage is hot lava death! Scapemage is hot lava death! Scapemage is hot lava death! Scapemage is hot lava death! Scapemage is hot lava death! Scapemage is hot lava death! Scapemage is hot lava death! Scapemage is hot lava death! Scapemage is hot lava death!
Re: The Book of Liu Kang (Public Playtesting)

Quote:
C3G INITIAL PLAYTEST FEEDBACK FORM

NAME OF THE TEST UNIT Liu Kang


Army Test
- Does it pass, Yes or No? Yes.

Map: HYDRA Base Gehenna.
Units: Liu Kang (260), Star-Lord, and Jack Flag (700) vs. Metallo, Mysterio, Mysterio Holographs, and Lexcorp Security x2 (700).
Spoiler Alert!

_____________________________________________________________

Army Test
- Does it pass, Yes or No? Yes.

Map: HYDRA Base Gehenna.
Units: Liu Kang (260), Jack Flag, and Star-Lord (700) vs. Cyclops II, Nightcrawler II, Iceman, and Armor (700).
Spoiler Alert!


_____________________________________________________________


THOUGHTS ON THE TESTED UNIT'S COST, BALANCE, & DRAFTABILITY: Liu Kang is really interesting. He benefits from JLD D20 & blank manipulation and also fits into Champion builds such as Mongul and Allen the Alien. I found him to work really well in a tight-knit Star-Lord army, though. Champion of the Earthrealm plus Ragtag Tactics really makes for some mean offense coming from Kang, who already has good resources in Bicycle Kick and Enter the Dragon.

GENERAL THOUGHTS ON THE TESTED UNIT: What a fun unit! The flexibility between two ranged blank-boosted attacks, 3 adjacent attacks, or Enter the Dragon rolls on weak targets creates a lot of decisions each turn. He pulled his weight fairly well in both games, and is deserving of 260 points as it stands.
Comments in red.

Like Superheroes and Comics?
C3G Project is Always Looking for New Members!

Head here to get started!

Playtesting is the most helpful thing!
Reply With Quote
  #66  
Old March 6th, 2019, 06:19 PM
Lazy Orang's Avatar
Lazy Orang Lazy Orang is offline
Hard as ice
 
Join Date: November 10, 2012
Location: British Isles
Posts: 15,921
Images: 6
Lazy Orang is hot lava death! Lazy Orang is hot lava death! Lazy Orang is hot lava death! Lazy Orang is hot lava death! Lazy Orang is hot lava death! Lazy Orang is hot lava death! Lazy Orang is hot lava death! Lazy Orang is hot lava death! Lazy Orang is hot lava death! Lazy Orang is hot lava death! Lazy Orang is hot lava death! Lazy Orang is hot lava death! Lazy Orang is hot lava death! Lazy Orang is hot lava death!
Re: The Book of Liu Kang (Public Playtesting)

- Theme Test - Inconclusive, but he fits the character as far as I know him..
- Mirror Test - Pass
- Bonding Test - Pass
- There are much scarier Champions out there. If we worried about Classic synergies the Knights of Weston would be notable, but we don't, so...
- Synergies Test - Pass - Justice League synergies are always nice, and between his Champion status, terrifying bonus from blanks on attack and D20 insta-kill vs. weakened opponents, he's one of the best recipients for Justice League Dark synergy I've seen by pure accident, but nothing feels concerning.
- Power Check - Pass - Pairing him with Zatanna was pretty terrifying, but then again, a lot of that goes into her cost.
- Fun Test - Definite Pass! All his powers are actually loads of fun to use, and he's a scary, useful, fun unit.
- Fun Competitive Test - Pass
- Drafting Test - Definite Pass!
- Usage Test - Pass
- His normal attacks with Shaolin Fire will likely be the most popular, but against certain heroes who are pains to hurt attempting Enter the Dragon to finish them off is worthwhile (particularly with Batman (vIII) or another D20 booster on side), and Bicycle Kick also has its purposes (particularly to cut through defensive powers and counter-strikes that don't work against SAs).
- Strategy Test - Pass - Trying to make the most of Champion of Earthrealm’s defence boost when this guy has to be the tip of the spear is interesting, as is balancing when to use his different attack types. This guy almost feels like a melee Punisher, in an odd way - one attack you’ll probably use most of the time, but he still has a tool for other jobs when it’s needed.

Name Of The Playtest Units: Liu Kang

Army Test 1
Map:
Mayberry (no glyphs)
Armies:
Captain America (C3G), Liu Kang, Zatanna (II), Zangief, Bucky (930)
vs.
Master Splinter, Leonardo, Raphael, Donatello, Michelangelo (930 points)


Spoiler Alert!


Army Test 2
Map:
Conflict Chernobyl (no glyphs)
Armies;
Martian Manhunter (vII), Batman (vIII), Liu Kang, Black Bat (1,130 points)
vs.
Baron Heinrich Zemo, Allen the Alien, Goro, Reptile, Leatherface (1,130 points)

Spoiler Alert!


Thoughts On The Tested Unit's Cost, Balance, & Draftibility:

I enjoyed this guy much more than I expected to - I had a blast with him! As a matter of fact, I consider a lot of these Mortal Kombat kharacters to be among the most enjoyable figures to play. I'm happy with him at 260.
I do have one serious suggestion, though. Rather than making Champion of Earthrealm's bonus whenever he has 2 OMs on his card, make it trigger at the start of the round for the rest of the round if he has 2 OMs then. This will make him less able to be mucked around by OM manipulators, but, more importantly, it will eliminate a weird anti-synergy he has with Raiden right now. At present, when Raiden appears, he hogs all the OMs and immediately kills the Champion of Earthrealm bonus, weakening how well they play together quite notably, which doesn't seem ideal for these two characters (I believe I'm right in saying they're fairly close allies in the lore?). This small change would allow you to keep the bonus even when Raiden takes over, massively helping the viability of that pairing (not to the point that it becomes great, but at least to the point where they aren't actively stepping on each other's toes).


My Family's Classic Customs
- The Stiff Corpse
=====================
Reply With Quote
  #67  
Old March 6th, 2019, 07:47 PM
Arkham's Avatar
Arkham Arkham is online now
C3G Con Champ 2021 and 2022!
 
Join Date: May 19, 2012
Location: Olympia - WA
Posts: 15,387
Images: 21
Arkham is hot lava death! Arkham is hot lava death! Arkham is hot lava death! Arkham is hot lava death! Arkham is hot lava death! Arkham is hot lava death! Arkham is hot lava death! Arkham is hot lava death! Arkham is hot lava death! Arkham is hot lava death! Arkham is hot lava death! Arkham is hot lava death! Arkham is hot lava death! Arkham is hot lava death!
Re: The Book of Liu Kang (Public Playtesting)

Thanks for the tests. That should be enough to wrap him up.

As for the Raiden bit, I think that’s something we could tweak on Raiden. Have him only take unrevealed numbered OMs, so if Kang took 1 turn and has the X, bonus saved. Changing it to the start of the round would allow for OM reorganizes to then become a viable strategy which wasn’t the intention. Raiden stepping on toes is within theme too so no issue there.
Reply With Quote
  #68  
Old March 6th, 2019, 08:26 PM
Ronin's Avatar
Ronin Ronin is offline
Symbiotic
 
Join Date: November 17, 2008
Location: USA - MA - Boston
Posts: 21,919
Images: 22
Ronin is hot lava death! Ronin is hot lava death! Ronin is hot lava death! Ronin is hot lava death! Ronin is hot lava death! Ronin is hot lava death! Ronin is hot lava death! Ronin is hot lava death! Ronin is hot lava death! Ronin is hot lava death! Ronin is hot lava death! Ronin is hot lava death! Ronin is hot lava death! Ronin is hot lava death!
Re: The Book of Liu Kang (Public Playtesting)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Arkham View Post
As for the Raiden bit, I think that’s something we could tweak on Raiden. Have him only take unrevealed numbered OMs, so if Kang took 1 turn and has the X, bonus saved. Changing it to the start of the round would allow for OM reorganizes to then become a viable strategy which wasn’t the intention. Raiden stepping on toes is within theme too so no issue there.
We don't usually do effects like that where an action can't be immediately verified. (In that example, you get to keep one of your unrevealed OMs in place and the opponent can't really see that it's the X)

Definitely agree that other OM rearrangers might start looking more attractive if you went with the start of the round version, and Raiden wouldn't be the prime beneficiary.

If Raiden is thematically a 'take charge, cause some friction' kinda guy, then I'd leave that tension between the two in place.
Reply With Quote
  #69  
Old March 6th, 2019, 08:30 PM
Arkham's Avatar
Arkham Arkham is online now
C3G Con Champ 2021 and 2022!
 
Join Date: May 19, 2012
Location: Olympia - WA
Posts: 15,387
Images: 21
Arkham is hot lava death! Arkham is hot lava death! Arkham is hot lava death! Arkham is hot lava death! Arkham is hot lava death! Arkham is hot lava death! Arkham is hot lava death! Arkham is hot lava death! Arkham is hot lava death! Arkham is hot lava death! Arkham is hot lava death! Arkham is hot lava death! Arkham is hot lava death! Arkham is hot lava death!
Re: The Book of Liu Kang (Public Playtesting)

Yeah that’s fair, I’m fine with just leaving it. It’s a once per game effect anyways.
Reply With Quote
  #70  
Old March 6th, 2019, 09:25 PM
Arkham's Avatar
Arkham Arkham is online now
C3G Con Champ 2021 and 2022!
 
Join Date: May 19, 2012
Location: Olympia - WA
Posts: 15,387
Images: 21
Arkham is hot lava death! Arkham is hot lava death! Arkham is hot lava death! Arkham is hot lava death! Arkham is hot lava death! Arkham is hot lava death! Arkham is hot lava death! Arkham is hot lava death! Arkham is hot lava death! Arkham is hot lava death! Arkham is hot lava death! Arkham is hot lava death! Arkham is hot lava death! Arkham is hot lava death!
Re: The Book of Liu Kang (Public Playtesting)

Can I get a wording check @Ronin ?

I propose we move to final editing.
Reply With Quote
  #71  
Old March 6th, 2019, 09:54 PM
Tornado's Avatar
Tornado Tornado is online now
Fan Fiction Prompt Master
 
Join Date: August 11, 2010
Location: USA - MI - Kalamazoo
Posts: 35,176
Images: 398
Tornado is a man of the cloth Tornado is a man of the cloth Tornado is a man of the cloth Tornado is a man of the cloth Tornado is a man of the cloth Tornado is a man of the cloth Tornado is a man of the cloth Tornado is a man of the cloth Tornado is a man of the cloth Tornado is a man of the cloth Tornado is a man of the cloth Tornado is a man of the cloth Tornado is a man of the cloth Tornado is a man of the cloth Tornado is a man of the cloth
Re: The Book of Liu Kang (Vote for Final Editing)

Yea
Reply With Quote
  #72  
Old March 6th, 2019, 10:28 PM
Ronin's Avatar
Ronin Ronin is offline
Symbiotic
 
Join Date: November 17, 2008
Location: USA - MA - Boston
Posts: 21,919
Images: 22
Ronin is hot lava death! Ronin is hot lava death! Ronin is hot lava death! Ronin is hot lava death! Ronin is hot lava death! Ronin is hot lava death! Ronin is hot lava death! Ronin is hot lava death! Ronin is hot lava death! Ronin is hot lava death! Ronin is hot lava death! Ronin is hot lava death! Ronin is hot lava death! Ronin is hot lava death!
Re: The Book of Liu Kang (Breathing)

Revised Champion of Earthrealm:

Quote:
CHAMPION OF EARTHREALM
If at least two Order Markers are on this card, Liu Kang adds 1 to his Attack number, and all friendly figures within clear sight of Liu Kang add 1 to their Defense numbers.
Honestly Shaolin Fire and Enter the Dragon are stumping me a little bit. I don't love the current wording, but I'm having a hard time landing on anything else that's clear and official-sounding.

Open to any thoughts there.
Reply With Quote
Reply

Go Back   Heroscapers > Marvel Legends HeroScape > Comic Hero Custom Creations > C3G SuperScape > C3G Legacy > C3G Legacy Library
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
The Book of Kang (Uncommon) IAmBatman C3G Legacy Library 278 February 10th, 2022 11:22 AM
The Book of Noob Saibot Soundwarp SG-1 C3G Legacy Library 117 February 8th, 2022 11:51 PM
The Book of Kang (II) Ronin C3G Legacy Library 193 February 24th, 2021 01:23 AM
The Book of Shang Tsung Spidey'tilIDie C3G Legacy Library 126 March 28th, 2019 08:58 AM


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 08:59 PM.

Heroscape background footer

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
User Alert System provided by Advanced User Tagging (Lite) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2024 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.