The Book of King Kong

[reverie]

How does Ultimate Sacrifice interact with powers that rearrange/move order markers?

Edit: After looking around, there don't look to be a lot of situations where this could come up. Doctor Manhattan and Baron Zemo (Helmut) require an order marker to be on them, so they're not going to be relevant. If the other player had Thanos (Infinity Quest) Kong could conceivably get his hands on the Reality Gem, which would give him the power to move an order marker. That and Mad Thinker (opposing player) are all I could come up with with a quick search.

[reverie]

Originally Posted by IAmBatman

I assume he'd carry Bane to keep him adjacent. Maybe throw in Merlyn as the last 160 to bring some range into the group, lead out with Star-Lord, then bring in his back up. As long as Star-Lord is advanced enough for Kong to be in his aura, Kong can carry Bane and keep the double boost.

Sensible thing for the opponent to do would be lure Kong out of the aura with range and get him engaged. Couldn't do that with every list, though.

Edit: Kong could also be lured out by targeting any other figures that weren't in range of the aura and would be otherwise defenseless with all the OMs on Kong. Wouldn't need range in that scenario.

[IAmBatman]

160 was the wrong calculation anyway. I was thinking for that build with Nebula (who's still a nice piece for him). I think you could at least do a decent job of keeping him in Star-Lord's range in most maps/match ups and Bane he could keep with him pretty easily, even with all the Order Markers on his card. Those three together leave a 210 point gap, though.

I'd maybe consider Nightcrawler (II) in that spot and use him to carry up Star-Lord, then follow with Kong and Bane.

[quozl]

C3G STANDARD PLAYTEST FEEDBACK FORM

NAME OF THE PLAYTEST UNIT: King Kong

Army Test
Map: X Marks The Spot with Orbital Laser glyph
Units: King Kong (350), Star-Lord, Bane, and Robot (Total of 1000) vs. original X-Men (1000).

Spoiler Alert!

Robot is chosen.

R1: Iceman & Angel move, carrying Prof. X.
Robot carries Star-Lord.
Iceman wounds Robot (3W) and all OMs move to Kong (who moves 6 spaces) and Angel carries Prof. X.
Kong carries Star-Lord.
Iceman attacks Robot but gets no wounds and Angel carries Prof. X.

R2: Cyclops attacks Kong and Star-Lord, gets no wounds on Kong but 2W on Star-Lord and Iceman attacks Robot but gets no wounds.
Kong attacks Jean Grey twice: 1st for 2W then KOing her.
Beast negotiates with Kong (OM2) and then attacks Kong for 1W (realized later this was incorrect) and Cyclops attacks Kong but gets no wounds.
Kong KOs both Cyclops and Beast.
Iceman attacks Kong but gets no wounds and Angel attacks Kong and gets 1W.

R3: Iceman attacks Kong for 1W and Angel attacks Kong but gets no wounds.
Prof. X ends Kong's turn.
Iceman attacks Kong but gets no wounds.
Kong attacks Prof. X but gets no wounds. (Angel carries him away.)
Angel attacks Kong but gets no wounds.
Kong attacks Prof. X and gets 2W.

R4: Prof. X ends Kong's turn.
Both Iceman and Angel attack Kong but get no wounds.
Kong KOs Prof. X.
Iceman attacks Kong but gets no wounds.
Kong KOs Angel and attacks Iceman for 2W.

R5: Iceman attacks Kong for 1W. Kong KOs Iceman.

Who won? List figures remaining in the winning army (include life remaining for heroes): Kong had 4W, Star-Lord had 2W, Robot had 3W, and Bane did nothing the whole game and was unwounded.

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Army Test
Map: X Marks The Spot with Orbital Laser glyph
Units: King Kong (365), 3x Gorilla City Warriors, Solovar (total of 1000) vs. Fantastic 4 (1000)

Spoiler Alert!

King Kong was chosen.

R1: Human Torch and Mr. F move.
GCW and Solovar move.
Invisible Woman moves. Human Torch attacks Solovar but gets no wounds. Mr. F KOs a GCW.
2 GCW attack Mr. F and get a total of 1W. Solovar attacks Mr. F but gets no wounds.
Thing moves. Invisible Woman KOs a GCW. Human Torch flies down to Solovar, takes 1W from an LEA, and Flames On Solovar for 2W as he flies back then KOs a GCW. Mr. F attacks a GCW but gets no wounds.
GCW attack Mr. F for 1W and Solovar attacks Mr. F but gets no wounds.
The Orbital Laser KOs a GCW.

R2: Mr. F attacks a GCW but gets no wounds.
Solovar negotiates OM2. (no attack this time!)
GCW KO Mr. F and Solovar attacks Invisible Woman but gets no wounds.
GCW attack Invisible Woman 3 times and get a total of 3W. Solovar attacks her too for 1W.

R3: Thing uses Clobberin Time to attack Solovar twice and KO him.
GCW KO Invisible Woman and Kong moves.
Thing KOs a GCW.
2 GCW attack Thing for 2W and Kong climbs up a building and attacks Human Torch twice to KO him.
Thing KOs a GCW.
GCW KO Thing.

Who won? List figures remaining in the winning army (include life remaining for heroes): Kong was unwounded. 3 GCW were left.

[quozl]

Looks to me like Kong is too strong.

[Ronin]

String Strong indeed. You thinking the points should come up, or the power level should go down? (Or a happy medium?)

[IAmBatman]

Coming in pretty strong. Are you thinking up the points or dial back the strength?

[Yodaking]

I'm personally okay with going up on the points until we get to the Thor/Superman II level (430-450). Feel like both of them could take him 1 on 1, after a prolonged fight. So up to 400ish I'm comfortable with.

[tcglkn]

Originally Posted by Yodaking

I'm personally okay with going up on the points until we get to the Thor/Superman II level (430-450). Feel like both of them could take him 1 on 1, after a prolonged fight. So up to 400ish I'm comfortable with.

Came here to post basically this. Would prefer to stay at 400 personally.

[quozl]

I don't mind 400 either but I also think the Attack should come back down to 6. Two attacks of 7 is too easy to KO a lot of figures. My reasoning for 6 is that he may hit as hard as Superman or Thor but he doesn't aim as well. We can also dial down Life if needed.

[IAmBatman]

I'm cool with seeing attack drop to 6, given how easy it is to get bonuses to that.

[tcglkn]

Yep, I honestly thought Kong was an Event Hero at the beginning so he couldn't be boosted by Star-Lord.