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Old January 11th, 2012, 09:43 AM
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Re: The book of Granite Guardians

I think he means adjacent to an overhang.

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Old January 11th, 2012, 09:47 AM
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Re: The book of Granite Guardians

Ok, but you can always scale an adjacent overhang as long as movement value and height allow it.

I mean to say...overhang doesn't stop movement...you just count the empty space underneath as if there were tiles there.

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Old January 11th, 2012, 09:54 AM
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Re: The book of Granite Guardians

A battlement or ladder yes, an overhang no. You can only go one space, so you can't have an overhang that takes up no space.

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Old January 11th, 2012, 12:38 PM
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Re: The book of Granite Guardians

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One thing that I'm surprised has not been mentioned here ... based on the wording, a higher space could be an overhang. It's not a "climb".
In theory, it could be an overhang...but in application...no. The height of the Granite Guardian is 5. The max up or down on Gain High Ground is 4 levels.

I cannot think of a physical situation where the Guardian could be under an overhang and still be able to use Gain High Ground to scale to the top of the overhang.

Or maybe I am misunderstanding.
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I think he means adjacent to an overhang.
Correct; I mean if the GG started the special movement adjacent to the overhang, not starting directly under it.

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Ok, but you can always scale an adjacent overhang as long as movement value and height allow it.

I mean to say...overhang doesn't stop movement...you just count the empty space underneath as if there were tiles there.
But I thought that, while doing normal movement, you can traverse an overhang only if there are nearby supporting tiles. What if there were no nearby supporting tiles? (Based on the illustration in the rule book, I've never been quite sure what "nearby" means exactly. How close do these supporting tiles need to be in order to be nearby?)

Let's say RotV Drake is several levels below a bridge (let's say 10); not directly under it, but one space out from under it. There are no nearby supporting tiles anywhere near him. He should be able to Grapple Gun up onto the bridge, yes?
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Old January 11th, 2012, 12:44 PM
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Ok, but you can always scale an adjacent overhang as long as movement value and height allow it.

I mean to say...overhang doesn't stop movement...you just count the empty space underneath as if there were tiles there.
But I thought that, while doing normal movement, you can traverse an overhang only if there are nearby supporting tiles. What if there were no nearby supporting tiles? (Based on the illustration in the rule book, I've never been quite sure what "nearby" means exactly. How close do these supporting tiles need to be in order to be nearby?)

Let's say RotV Drake is several levels below a bridge (let's say 10); not directly under it, but one space out from under it. There are no nearby supporting tiles anywhere near him. He should be able to Grapple Gun up onto the bridge, yes?
When it refers to the "nearby supporting tiles", that is purely to give the player a reference point, a way to count the elevation.

Also, it doesn't say "only if" in the rules. Reread the overhang portion. It is only to illustrate a way of counting the elevation, even if the nearest supporting tile is on the other side of the map.

Sometimes with overhangs it is not clear which level it is on. The illustration and text was trying to provide an example of how to count the elevation.

And, yes, Drake can grapple up.

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Old January 11th, 2012, 01:04 PM
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Ok, but you can always scale an adjacent overhang as long as movement value and height allow it.

I mean to say...overhang doesn't stop movement...you just count the empty space underneath as if there were tiles there.
But I thought that, while doing normal movement, you can traverse an overhang only if there are nearby supporting tiles. What if there were no nearby supporting tiles? (Based on the illustration in the rule book, I've never been quite sure what "nearby" means exactly. How close do these supporting tiles need to be in order to be nearby?)

Let's say RotV Drake is several levels below a bridge (let's say 10); not directly under it, but one space out from under it. There are no nearby supporting tiles anywhere near him. He should be able to Grapple Gun up onto the bridge, yes?
When it refers to the "nearby supporting tiles", that is purely to give the player a reference point, a way to count the elevation.

Also, it doesn't say "only if" in the rules. Reread the overhang portion. It is only to illustrate a way of counting the elevation, even if the nearest supporting tile is on the other side of the map.

Sometimes with overhangs it is not clear which level it is on. The illustration and text was trying to provide an example of how to count the elevation.

And, yes, Drake can grapple up.
Holy misinterpretation, Batman! I can't believe I just learned something new about a game I've been playing for over 7 years.

For the record, the illustration and wording in the rulebook are misleading in my opinion. It would have been better to simply show the "number 2 dot" in mid-air on the gap of the overhang, and say nothing at all about nearby supporting tiles.

Thanks for clearing that up R˙chean.

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Old January 11th, 2012, 01:10 PM
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Re: The book of Granite Guardians

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For the record, the illustration and wording in the rulebook are misleading in my opinion. It would have been better to simply show the "number 2 dot" in mid-air on the gap of the overhang, and say nothing at all about nearby supporting tiles.
I agree. I guess they thought that an 8 year old might struggle with the concept of counting something that isn't there.

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Re: The book of Granite Guardians

So.... it's been asked several times in this thread, but I'm still unsure about the official ruling (due in part to Grungebob's cryptic answers).

Can the GGs use their "Gain High Ground" to move onto a Heavy Snow or Slippery Ice hex?
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Old November 18th, 2012, 11:09 AM
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So.... it's been asked several times in this thread, but I'm still unsure about the official ruling (due in part to Grungebob's cryptic answers).

Can the GGs use their "Gain High Ground" to move onto a Heavy Snow or Slippery Ice hex?
No. Much like Sgt. Drake, they just cannae do it.
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Old November 18th, 2012, 11:17 AM
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So.... it's been asked several times in this thread, but I'm still unsure about the official ruling (due in part to Grungebob's cryptic answers).

Can the GGs use their "Gain High Ground" to move onto a Heavy Snow or Slippery Ice hex?
No. Much like Sgt. Drake, they just cannae do it.
Harumph. That is just dumb. I refuse to accept it.
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So.... it's been asked several times in this thread, but I'm still unsure about the official ruling (due in part to Grungebob's cryptic answers).

Can the GGs use their "Gain High Ground" to move onto a Heavy Snow or Slippery Ice hex?
No. Much like Sgt. Drake, they just cannae do it.
Harumph. That is just dumb. I refuse to accept it.
Boo I say too.

This will be added to the OP once I get there.
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Boo I say too.

This will be added to the OP once I get there.
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