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Old August 28th, 2018, 04:56 PM
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Re: The Book of Drax (II) (Designing)

Not sure how I feel about him taking the X OM from someone and then not being able to use it.
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Old August 28th, 2018, 04:59 PM
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Re: The Book of Drax (II) (Designing)

Well Arkham's post right before you (Yodaking) addressed the "only if" on the Order Marker front, but I think we both agree and share concerns expressed in the rest of your post.

If Star-Lord is taken out on OM3 or OM2 then Drax gets, at most, one turn of double attacks. That doesn't really discourage me from attacking Star-Lord first, so I don't think the bodyguard aspect is coming through. Which means Drax isn't really boosting Star-Lord.

Is Star-Lord boosting Drax? If he hangs back and doesn't get a double attack until Star-Lord is dead? I'm not seeing it.

The best thing there for the combination is the possibility of getting extra attacks with Drax. I'd consider just going straight up Frenzy on a lower roll, though, without the dead buddy bonuses, because otherwise he will not be likely to be optimal until he no longer has Star-Lord around, which seems less than ideal if we're going for a strong fit here.

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Re: The Book of Drax (II) (Designing)

Good point. Hmmm...

These adjustments should ignore the X and allow for Drax to still have that bodyguard approach:
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NAME = DRAX
SECRET IDENTITY = ARTHUR DOUGLAS

SPECIES = GOLEM
UNIQUENESS = UNIQUE HERO
CLASS = WARRIOR
PERSONALITY = RELENTLESS

SIZE/HEIGHT = MEDIUM 5

LIFE = 5

MOVE = 6
RANGE = 1
ATTACK = 6
DEFENSE = 6

POINTS = 330


VENGEFUL FURY
When a Unique Hero you control that is within 5 clear sight spaces of Drax is destroyed, you must place any unrevealed numbered Order Markers on Army Cards in your army onto this card. For the rest of the round, when Drax attacks, he may attack one additional time.

RELENTLESS PURSUIT
After you take a turn with Drax, roll the 20-sided die. You may choose one Unique Hero you control within 5 clear sight spaces of Drax, and add 1 to the roll each Wound Marker on the chosen figure's card. If you roll a 16 or higher, take one additional turn with Drax.

NOT DEAD YET
Whenever Drax would be destroyed or receives enough wounds to be destroyed in any way, he instead takes no damage and removes all but 2 wounds from this card. Not Dead Yet can only be used once per game

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Re: The Book of Drax (II) (Designing)

Letting one unrevealed OM stay placed has some possible cheating implications... I'd be wary of that.

I might be scorching the snake here, but - while the OM recovery stuff is useful, wouldn't straight Double Attack here make him a better Star-Lord pair? Only getting bonus attacks when your squishy leader attacks is kind of anti-synergy, really.

(There may be too many cooks right now, so more noise might not be helping.)
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Re: The Book of Drax (II) (Designing)

That is an interesting take and opens up the possibility of four attacks like you wanted.
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Re: The Book of Drax (II) (Designing)

I'd add 2 for every wound maker so when some one is 1 life away from death the odds are pretty good Drax is going to get two turns to try and save them. That's maxed out at +6, +8, +10, & +12, +14, +16 for a 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, & 9 life hero. Adjust the starting number up if you need to. I don't think any non-Event heroes have more than 9 life.
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Re: The Book of Drax (II) (Designing)

I like that draft quite a bit. Might want to require OM reveal for Relentless Pursuit.
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Re: The Book of Drax (II) (Designing)

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Letting one unrevealed OM stay placed has some possible cheating implications... I'd be wary of that.

I might be scorching the snake here, but - while the OM recovery stuff is useful, wouldn't straight Double Attack here make him a better Star-Lord pair? Only getting bonus attacks when your squishy leader attacks is kind of anti-synergy, really.

(There may be too many cooks right now, so more noise might not be helping.)
I'm not against letting him have the double attack at all times. We can still keep the OM grab though, as that helps represent Drax going in recklessly ignoring what his allies say appeal.

How about something like this:
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NAME = DRAX
SECRET IDENTITY = ARTHUR DOUGLAS

SPECIES = GOLEM
UNIQUENESS = UNIQUE HERO
CLASS = WARRIOR
PERSONALITY = RELENTLESS

SIZE/HEIGHT = MEDIUM 5

LIFE = 5

MOVE = 6
RANGE = 1
ATTACK = 6
DEFENSE = 6

POINTS = 330


DOUBLE ATTACK
When Drax attacks, he may attack one additional time.

VENGEFUL FURY
When any other Unique Hero you control is destroyed, you must place all unrevealed numbered Order Markers on Army Cards in your army onto this card. After revealing an Order Marker on this card and taking a turn with Drax, roll the 20-sided die. You may choose one Unique Hero you control within 5 clear sight spaces of Drax, adding 1 to the roll for each Wound Marker on the chosen figure's card. If you roll a 16 or higher, take one additional turn with Drax.

NOT DEAD YET
Whenever Drax would be destroyed or receives enough wounds to be destroyed in any way, he instead takes no damage and removes all but 2 wounds from this card. Not Dead Yet can only be used once per game

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Old August 28th, 2018, 06:02 PM
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Re: The Book of Drax (II) (Designing)

I liked the previous version without static double attack better.
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Re: The Book of Drax (II) (Designing)

If people like the non-static Double Attack better we can probably start there and tweak it around depending on how he plays/how he fits with Star-Lord.
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Old August 28th, 2018, 06:16 PM
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Re: The Book of Drax (II) (Designing)

Alright, sounds like the situational double attack is more favored overall. I think we can lower the potential for a double turn, or increase the chances for it activating based on wounds on a teammate, to still obtain the same effect as if he had the double attack anyways.

So here's where I'm thinking we start testing:
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NAME = DRAX
SECRET IDENTITY = ARTHUR DOUGLAS

SPECIES = GOLEM
UNIQUENESS = UNIQUE HERO
CLASS = WARRIOR
PERSONALITY = RELENTLESS

SIZE/HEIGHT = MEDIUM 5

LIFE = 5

MOVE = 6
RANGE = 1
ATTACK = 6
DEFENSE = 6

POINTS = 330


VENGEFUL FURY
When any other Unique Hero you control is destroyed, you must place any unrevealed numbered Order Markers on Army Cards in your army onto this card. For the rest of the round, when Drax attacks, he may attack one additional time.

RELENTLESS CHARGE 14
After you take a turn with Drax, roll the 20-sided die. You may choose one Unique Hero you control within 5 clear sight spaces of Drax and add 1 to the roll for each Wound Marker on the chosen figure's card. If you roll a 14 or higher, take one additional turn with Drax.

NOT DEAD YET
Whenever Drax would be destroyed or receives enough wounds to be destroyed in any way, he instead takes no damage and removes all but 2 wounds from this card. Not Dead Yet can only be used once per game

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Re: The Book of Drax (II) (Designing)

As always, we can let the data allow for a better understanding of how it feels, and then adjust from there if it's failing.

I propose a vote to move to initial playtesting.
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