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Agent Carr 40 66.67%
Tandros Kreel 20 33.33%
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Old April 13th, 2011, 08:37 PM
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Unit Debate #56 -- Agent Carr vs. Tandros Kreel

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This Unit Debate was selected by clancampbell.

1. Stats/Special Powers

2. Playability

3. Overall Usefulness

4. Who Would Win Head-To-Head

5. Army Builds

6. Best Strategic Use

7. Situational Usefulness

8. Best in Dungeon Crawl
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Old April 13th, 2011, 08:45 PM
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Re: Unit Debate #56 -- Agent Carr vs. Tandros Kreel

1. Stats/Special Powers
Ghost walk scares cheerleaders!

Carr
2. Playability
Neither are very playable

Tie

3. Overall Usefulness
When 3 squads of rats can do kreel's job much better than him I'll say

Carr
4. Who Would Win Head-To-Head
Tandros would win head to head do to superior stats
5. Army Builds
Neither have the best builds but kreel has some pseudo synergy

Kreel
6. Best Strategic Use
Carr creaping into position takes this one

Carr
7. Situational Usefulness
You won't belive the look on your opponent's face as you kill Raelin

Carr
8. Best in Dungeon Crawl
Since you won't face to many cheerleaders in this I'll say

Kreel

Carr wins 4-3-1

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Old April 13th, 2011, 09:25 PM
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Re: Unit Debate #56 -- Agent Carr vs. Tandros Kreel

1. Stats/Special Powers
Tandros. He is very durable, and his powers are kinda nifty.
2. Playability
Carr. It's much easier to run thourgh the screen and kill Raelin than to figure out what the hell to do with Tandros.
3. Overall Usefulness
Carr. Hero-Killing should not be taken lightly.
4. Who Would Win Head-To-Head
Tandros. 7 life is really hard to beat down, even for Carr.
5. Army Builds
Carr. He fits into almost any army with 100 points left.
6. Best Strategic Use
Carr. Getting Raelin was never so much fun.
7. Situational Usefulness
Tandros. Against Minions, he's probably pretty boss.
8. Best in Dungeon Crawl
Tandros. About the only place he is good.

TIE. But I voted for Carr anyways...

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Re: Unit Debate #56 -- Agent Carr vs. Tandros Kreel

My vote goes to Agent Carr.

I also fully agree with everything that Neo said on the topic.
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Re: Unit Debate #56 -- Agent Carr vs. Tandros Kreel

Where's the Tandros Kreel love? I think he's cool...
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Re: Unit Debate #56 -- Agent Carr vs. Tandros Kreel

No contest...Agent Carr rocks

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Re: Unit Debate #56 -- Agent Carr vs. Tandros Kreel

Wait, did you say 7 life... beats 4.

Game, set, match.
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Re: Unit Debate #56 -- Agent Carr vs. Tandros Kreel

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Wait, did you say 7 life... beats 4.

Game, set, match.
Definitely. Carr is just too fragile.



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Re: Unit Debate #56 -- Agent Carr vs. Tandros Kreel

Tandross win everywhere for me.

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Re: Unit Debate #56 -- Agent Carr vs. Tandros Kreel

I've played Carr. I haven't played Kreel. 'Nuff said.

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Re: Unit Debate #56 -- Agent Carr vs. Tandros Kreel

Voted Carr. Kreel's 4A @ 120 points just doesn't cut it. Carr's 6A @ 100 does. Literally.


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I thought at first this was a straight forward comparison, but then as I looked over the abilities, it seems to me that it isn't.

These two figures have different jobs. Carr is a hero-killer with his Sword of Reckoning and effective Phantom Walk to bypass screens. Tandros is a squad punisher/ 1 man screen for other units to mobilize behind. Tandros' Combat Challenge ability really puts him out to be the front-line tank against incoming melee squads who might be inclined to attack Ana Karithon, or whoever else is bundled around him. His high-life sure makes him tough to beat down.
Though tricky agents are always pesky, they are hardly daunting. I don't think synergy with Skahen, Otanashi or Laglor are really going to make Carr any more (or less) fearsome.

Head to head...
Carr averages 1 ranged skull, 3 melee skulls and 1.3 shields
Tandros gets 1 ranged skull, 2 melee skulls and 1.3 shields
Say Melee, head to head...
Avg Skull (Attacker) - Avg Shield (Defender) = Avg Damage (to defender)
Life / Avg Damage = Kill Time
Carr(A), Tandros(D) : 3 - 1.33 = 1.66 ... 7 / 1.66 = 4.2 attacks
Tandros(A), Carr(D) : 2 - 1.33 = 0.66 ... 4 / 0.66 = 6 attacks

Carr won't want to get into a shooting match... he should just come with his ugly stick for the beat down. (A wise player will send in screen to keep Tandros engaged to keep that from happening... but in my circle we only get wise after somebody did something clever by accident.)

(another thought... If either figure totally wiffed on defense... Kreel could possibly nix Carr in one attack, while Carr would need two unmodified attacks to get Tandros.)

That they both have any kind of ranged attack to me is icing, since it makes them more flexible in their roles... Tandros as a harasser to agro your opponent to taking out the pesky fighter... Carr as the hero assassin who might just also take out squadie or two as he makes his move towards the mark.


Since neither has a full bonding... which one is "better" comes down to the question of what kind of army is your opponent fielding... hero-heavy or squad heavy?

Last edited by MalignantT; April 20th, 2011 at 01:11 AM. Reason: same ol' same ol'... minutia
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