The Book of Ne-Gok-Sa

[flameslayer93]

Originally Posted by MegaSilver

Sorry, but No. He previously controlled Syvarris at one point, so he could not take control of yours, even if he destroyed it.

This is due to the Glyph of Sturla (Revive), which could allow for the possibility of his Syvarris coming back, creating major issues.

Oops. Apparently I need to read the FAQ's again.

[White Knight]

OK, I read through the FAQs but I don't think this was ever addressed:

Scenario
- I have Thorgrimm and Ne-Gok-Sa in my army. My opponent has Thorgrimm and Raelin in her army.
- My opponent's Thorgrimm dies and she places her Thorgrimm on her Raelin
- My Ne-Gok-Sa Mindshackles her Raelin.
- I control Raelin
- My Thorgrimm dies and I place his Spirit on Raelin
- Raelin now has two Thorgrim Spirits on her

But that would seem to contradict the FAQ that you cannot have two of the same figure in your army.

Mindshackle reads:

You now control that Army Card and all figures on it.

Based upon that sentence, I'm thinking that I should not have been allowed to Mindshackle my opponent's Raelin, since Thorgrimm was on her card and I also have a Thorgrimm in my army.

But one could argue that no one really "controls" a figure placed on a card (it just stays there and does it's thing), so it's not really in my army and I can have two Thorgrimm Spirits on the same card.

[caps]

Originally Posted by White Knight

OK, I read through the FAQs but I don't think this was ever addressed:

Scenario
- I have Thorgrimm and Ne-Gok-Sa in my army. My opponent has Thorgrimm and Raelin in her army.
- My opponent's Thorgrimm dies and she places her Thorgrimm on her Raelin
- My Ne-Gok-Sa Mindshackles her Raelin.
- I control Raelin
- My Thorgrimm dies and I place his Spirit on Raelin
- Raelin now has two Thorgrim Spirits on her

But that would seem to contradict the FAQ that you cannot have two of the same figure in your army.

Mindshackle reads:

Based upon that sentence, I'm thinking that I should not have been allowed to Mindshackle my opponent's Raelin, since Thorgrimm was on her card and I also have a Thorgrimm in my army.

But one could argue that no one really "controls" a figure placed on a card (it just stays there and does it's thing), so it's not really in my army and I can have two Thorgrimm Spirits on the same card.

This is close to the answer, but not quite. When Thorgrim is placed on an army card, he still belongs to the player he belonged to before he was killed, just the same as any other figure still belongs to its player after its destroyed.

You can place Thorgrim on any Army Card, do you could place him on your opponent's Sir Dupuis army card, for instance, even if your opponent had their own Thorgrim in their army. If someone mindshackled your opponent's Dupuis, the Thorgrim on Dupuis' army card would still belong to you.

As for whether two Thorgrims can be placed on the same card and stack their effects, I would assume so, but you'd have to check their book thread to be sure.

[Kroc]

So, if the original player still controls Thorgrimm, can s/he move him? I would think so, thus the Thorgrimm does not transfer.

And I really doubt you could stack Thorgrimms. Though I got to admit, the wording on the card (place on any unique figure) does suggest so. I guess you play it the way it was written, not the way it was intended.

[caps]

Originally Posted by Kroc

So, if the original player still controls Thorgrimm, can s/he move him? I would think so, thus the Thorgrimm does not transfer.

And I really doubt you could stack Thorgrimms. Though I got to admit, the wording on the card (place on any unique figure) does suggest so. I guess you play it the way it was written, not the way it was intended.

Where on the card does it say that Thorgrim can be moved after he is placed? Why would he be able to move?

[White Knight]

Originally Posted by capsocrates

This is close to the answer, but not quite. When Thorgrim is placed on an army card, he still belongs to the player he belonged to before he was killed, just the same as any other figure still belongs to its player after its destroyed.

I'd forgotten that you can place Finn and Thorgrimm on your opponent's cards--yet you still control the army card.

And I'd forgotten that Finn and Thorgrimm are still part of your army after you place them.

Therefore, if you have a Thorgrimm and he is destroyed, he still belongs to you and you would not be allowed to Mindshackle your opponent's Thorgrimm.

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And I'd have to say that, since you can place your Thorgrimm on your opponent's cards, and your opponent can also place his Thorgrim on his cards, that it's perfectly OK to have 2 Thorgrimms on a card.

[Sheep]

NGS' card says "You now control that Army Card and all figures on it. Remove any Order Markers on this card." Does that mean after a mindshackle that you remove all OMs from NGS' card?

I've never played it that way, but I guess I never read the card this close either. I always thought it meant remove the OMs from the new card. I guess it's a undefined antecedent???

[awesomeunleashed]

Originally Posted by heroscaper2010

NGS' card says "You now control that Army Card and all figures on it. Remove any Order Markers on this card." Does that mean after a mindshackle that you remove all OMs from NGS' card?

I've never played it that way, but I guess I never read the card this close either. I always thought it meant remove the OMs from the new card. I guess it's a undefined antecedent???

Pretty sure it means "this new card." It was corrected in Kee-Mo-Shi's Mindshackle.

[Sheep]

Originally Posted by awesomeunleashed

Pretty sure it means "this new card." It was corrected in Kee-Mo-Shi's Mindshackle.

Ah, I didn't check KMS' card. So yeah, it would just be a pronoun/antecedent issue.

[IshMEL]

Pronoun Trouble!

(Warning: YouTube link, gun violence, hilarity.)

[Serenity]

Ne-Gok-Sa
C3V and SoV Custom Synergies

Spoiler Alert!

Synergy Benefits Offered

Synergy Benefits Received

ELARIA THE PALE : QUEEN OF THIEVES
As a Tricky figure, Ne-Gok-Sa may benefit from Elaria the Pale's 20-sided die enhancement.

MYRDDIN : MYSTIC SACRIFICE
As a Medium Unique Hero, Ne-Gok-Sa may benefit from Myrddin's 20-sided die enhancement.

[Owlman]

Good 'ol Ne-Gok-Sa... one of the classic tanks of HeroScape. He's slow as molasses, but if you need a glyph holder, or someone to clog up a single hex space, look no further. A 6 defense/5 life figure means its gonna take you a while to topple this tricky Marro warlord. Mind Shackle is a bonus!